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Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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It's just banning. It's no different than if you get caught running cheat software in an online game. The company isn't "retaliating" against you, or even "punishing" you -- they're just banning you. You broke the rules and that's what happens.

> The company isn't "retaliating" against you, or even "punishing" you yes they are > You broke the rules and that's what happens. And when it happens its called a "punishment", which is a kind of "retaliation". Words don't stop applying because you don't like their connotation.

No -- words like punishment and retaliation have a connotation of being personal and being emotional, or punishment can be linked to the justice system.

They're not appropriate words for mere policy. Like if you damage your apartment and don't get your security deposit back, that's not punishment or retaliation. It's just policy.

Same thing if you try to return something after thirty days and that's against policy. When they don't take the return, they're not punishing you.

Does that help clarify?

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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I highly doubt they're "punishing" customers or even "retaliating" like the article says. They've always banned iMessage access that they determined to be compromised. It's part of security and preventing abuse. It just probably took a couple weeks for their automated system to detect. Hopefully affected users can get it working again on their Macs via customer service, if they even care.

> Hopefully affected users can get it working again on their Macs via customer service, if they even care. I'm going to go wayyyy out on a limb and guess that people who were enthusiastic adopters of Beeper Mini, AND who own a Mac ARE probably going to care about getting their access working again. I'd actually say the bigger thing would probably be "via Customer Service, if Customer Service even cares, and doesn't t…

I dunno. Is iMessage all that useful if it's only on your Mac?

It's nice as a second screen if you already use it on your phone. But getting messages only on your computer isn't so useful in our mobile-first world -- at least not for a lot of people.

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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Let's open WhatsApp… It's recommending that I follow channels. Do I want to follow Man City, Real Madrid, or FC Barcelona? I watch zero sports and want nothing to do with any of this. I've used the app a handful of times over the years, yet I have three threads/groups from December that are cryptocurrency, investment, and market insight scams. To me, the interface also looks bad—and it's a Facebook product. Signal is…

The obsession with iMessage and the "blue bubble" seems to be a US only thing, no? All group chats I've ever been part of, and 99% of all other messaging, in the UK and every European country I've been in happens on WhatsApp.

It's Apple memetic marketing, it isn't real.

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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MMS were not encrypted and stories have been the most requested feature. It made totally sense to go this way.

> MMS were not encrypted a iChat and signal had parity at that intersection. The color of the bubbles means something in ichat, there was a known ui component to convey that message... Signal went from being mms + encrypted side channel to ... another messaging app adding social media features.

No it didn't.

It is and always wanted to be a secure messenger which does not share your data with some big company.

Providing an insecure feature within the app was stupid. People didn't even realize that this was an issue, and those who ran away now never even cared about the core features of Signal. They just wanted to have another SMS client.

https://www.signal.org/blog/sms-removal-android/

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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off the top of my head: - all useful interactions are hidden behind useless slow animation and multiple additional clicks - photo selection is an awkward double scroll - stickers are tied to external apps, cannot be searched, take ages to load when you switch between sets - link unfurling and file previews are hit and miss, often take ages to happen - pinned chats are useless awkward circles that take up space instea…

> all useful interactions are hidden Maybe this is why I prefer it. Text is first class on iMessage. WhatsApp and Telegram messages tend to have crud, e.g. stickers and weird shit happening with photos. To each their own.

Text is first class in all messages. You don't have to add photos, or stickers, or anything.

But when you need to, it's there at your fingertips, not hidden behind laggy animations, seconds of loading, and awkward interactions

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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The fact that the iMessage team still can't figure out how Apple's own sync works is mind boggling. Messages are always lost, or marked as read when they are not, or marked as unread even if I deleted them on other device, or...

Isn't this only a problem if one of your devices trying to access these messages is a non-apple device? For a while I was switching between an iPhone and Android (I was deving on both platforms and so would switch them out regularly). Then I found out the Apple would think I was still using the iPhone, and would therefore would send my messages via iMessage, and I'd have no idea I wasn't getting them. But what incent…

> Isn't this only a problem if one of your devices trying to access these messages is a non-apple device?

Funnily enough, no. iOS MacOS sync has been broken for ages, and keeps being subtly broken in different ways with each new oOS release

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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Protecting the security and integrity of the platform. I fully support interoperability. But it needs to be done through regulation and standards. Not through intentional abuse of the platform for monetary gains.

Protecting imaginary security is no protection at all. If Apple doesn't like the particular way Beeper works, they're free to give them a better API to use.

They are free to give them the hammer too.

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Jeez, you’re painting with a broad brush here. I use Apple products and like them but I think they should open stuff up more. Unfortunately, I don’t have the time I used to for dealing with tech issues on Linux or the other open source stuff, so I buy Apple which is certainly better to customers than Microsoft, for example. I don’t get where the idea that Apple users are zombies came from. Apple users like the produc…

I've remarked many times but it's absolutely insane just how casually android users drop the "apple SHEEPLE" or "brainless blue bubbles" shit. It's so absolutely completely normalized that they don't even comprehend that it might be offensive to the people actually in the discussion with them . statistically speaking about half this site probably has apple and most people have very specific reasons for picking them.…

> but again, everyone knows what the score really is.

That's the problem, innit? Both Apple and Android users see the writing on the wall, nobody is winning. The only people who actively frustrate themselves on tech sentiments are the ones that honestly believe that Apple/Google knows what's best or that Elon Musk is a benefactor to humanity. Rationally, those are wrong conclusions. You're not mad because Android/iOS pundits are harassing you, you're mad because a false assumption about businesses and your personal identity is falling apart. That's fine. Conscious smartphone users everywhere should feel that way.

Similarly, there are people on this website that will laugh you off the stage if you admit to daily-driving Emacs or BSD. Opinionated people are like that everywhere from the CNBC comment section to 9to5Mac. You and me are not obligated to respond to them, and sometimes there is no rational response. Apple does a lot of irrational things, like telling their customers "you're holding it wrong" in response to hardware antennae problems. You don't need to take it personally that you can't defend the indefensible. Most Android users are really in the same boat, tied to a bloodthirsty OEM and Google who will both make irrational choices on the regular. You could call them out, but then you're arguing against your own side. It's a duopoly designed to suck people's egos into it, and the only way to meaningfully discuss change is to acknowledge that neither solution is perfect. It's hard to do when you're fully invested in any ecosystem, but Apple's (and Google's) flaws are self-evident.

Apple will continue to get criticized for as long as they earn the criticism, like how Microsoft and Google were (rightfully) dragged through the mud before them. If you want to change that, vote with your wallet and encourage your favorite company to act the way you want them to.

Re: Beeper Mini users find Macs banned from iMessage network

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In all honesty, this kind of discourse is insulting to the target audience, and not going to win over anyone to your cause. If you call the people you are trying to convince "idiots, rubes, and otherwise "consumer"-personality types" then they stop listening after that point. Which is probably fortunate since you called for a "digital 9/11". Call me crazy, but I don't want a repeat of an event where thousands of peop…

Also I get to be mad. I get to show that frustration. Other people who feel as I do see me get mad and maybe they get mad too. Maybe I flutter my wings and some storm clouds appear over Redmond down the line.

I wasn't saying you can't be mad. I was saying that getting mad at people won't convince them that you have a point.

I've never heard of Briar. But now my only interaction with it is with someone who wants a "digital 9/11" and hopes that a quarter of our digital systems get hacked by an adversarial state. No offense, but I don't want to be part of a communications network with users that advocate extremism and terrorism as a conversion method.

Edit: I just looked into Briar, and it is ironically, only available on certain platforms. If you have an iPhone you cannot use it. How is this any better?

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