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Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by kumarvvr »

block_dagger wrote: post #10

A similar situation happened to me after 7.5 years at a company where I had been given consistently good feedback and promotions. I was fed the lie that my position was being eliminated when there were active public postings for the same position (Staff Engineer). My access to corporate systems was cut off at 8am with no warning or explanatio. I got a similar cold call from an HR person I had met once by chance. No i…

Such need not be corporate life.

If there is anything I have learned is that Corporate bend over backwards to project a face of "family" and "values" and "ethics".

What really matters is money and saving ones own skin.

A corporate job is transactional. Pure and simple. But, when it is transactional, the outlines must be in start contrast. Many a time, people stay late and spend more time than designated working hours. The company justifies this in a million ways. But when it comes to layoffs, yeah. We know it.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by anon_cow1111 »

Um, is it appropriate to request a link to this video that isn't hosted on Tiktok? (I must be becoming crotchety old man or something because even typing that name fills me with disgust. I still find it amazing that it has any more legitimacy than a random scam or phishing site)

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by Merad »

paul7986 wrote: post #47
thrtythreeforty wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She's not arguing to change the outcome, she's arguing to call out the hypocrisy/bullshit. In some sense it's pointless, yes; in some other sense, you deserve an argument if you don't deal straightly with the person you're laying off.

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About 75% of states only require one party to consent to a recording, so you can consent to the recording any conversation that you take part in.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by CaliforniaKarl »

cheeze wrote: post #45
bradly wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You won't be getting unemployment benefits if you are fired. Also professional reputation, negotiation of severance terms, getting a positive reference, rehireability.

... Yes you do? You won't if you get fired for _misconduct_, but you definitely do get unemployment for perf, etc. in a vast majority of states. You won't get severance if you're fired in most cases. You won't get unemployment if you voluntarily resign.

> Yes you do?

No, you don't. Oregon Unemployment, Claimant Handbook, Section 6. Source: I helped a friend through unemployment. He was fired from work, and his employer provided a false reason for the firing, triggering denial of benefits. We looked at his options, and it would've been cost-prohibitive to retain a lawyer to fight it, which would've been required.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by teeray »

jbverschoor wrote: post #46
paul7986 wrote: post #42

It's illegal to record others without their consent! Thats the law. Definitely sucks being laid off but doing such and then posting it online showing your face not very smart!

Nope it’s not. It’s illegal to record a conversation where no participant is aware of the recording. She is aware, so it’s all fine

That’s in a one-party state. There are many all-party states, where you need to have consent from all parties. Even if the video call is being recorded (very likely), you still need to seek consent for your recording. Of course, IANAL, but I’d be interested if there’s an additional distinction about the purpose of the recording (internal records, public broadcast) and whether the consent would also need to extend to that.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by 015a »

thepasswordis wrote: post #26

I get why she's upset, but what is the point of arguing with these people? They're just the messengers.

Arguing (also known as: pushing back) is how you communicate that what happened was wrong. It won't impact the decision; they're just the messengers; but it might impact how the messengers feel about what happened, which might create change. The messengers are also human.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by ehPReth »

throwxdf wrote: post #71
IvyMike wrote: post #25

I get why Brittany's mad: Cloudflare appears to be handling this about as bad as possible. But those two HR randos aren't gonna have anything worthwhile to say, either. I don't want to be judgmental of Brittany because it's a sucky call to have to take. But my recommendation in this situation is to say "I disagree with that assessment of my performance, but I understand you are terminating my employment. What details…

On top lossing your job, get drunk and loose your kidneys too. :(

that doesn't happen from getting drunk once or twice?

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by whalesalad »

aaomidi wrote: post #54
IvyMike wrote: post #25

I get why Brittany's mad: Cloudflare appears to be handling this about as bad as possible. But those two HR randos aren't gonna have anything worthwhile to say, either. I don't want to be judgmental of Brittany because it's a sucky call to have to take. But my recommendation in this situation is to say "I disagree with that assessment of my performance, but I understand you are terminating my employment. What details…

This is amazing video for making a legal case against Cloudflare. Cloudflare took a stupid, unnecessary risk here by trying to put this on performance when they haven't documented it.

What case? At will employment is a thing. You can terminate people with absolutely no reason if you want, most of the time.

Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]

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Post by paul7986 »

richbell wrote: post #76
paul7986 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Maybe where you live. A lot of places only require single party consent.

CA, DE, FL, IL, MD, MA, MT, NV, NH, PA and WA all require all parties must consent. All states i lived in and do business in.

Thus speaking from experience yet happy to learn new things!

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