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Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by ThatMedicIsASpy »

woleium wrote: post #30
usr1106 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> printers, which used to be a good business Good business as in earning money or as producing customer satisfaction? I don't know about the former, but I do know that HP printers are a horrible user experience these days. The printer is connected via USB, but it cannot be used without an internet connection to their data collection and ink selling cloud nonsense. I will never by anything from that brand again. (I us…

Never buy a consumer print device. The enterprise kit from HP is still good.

I'll just never buy a printer without an ink tank again.

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by vidarh »

briffle wrote: post #79
bombcar wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get a used one, might not be that bad. But a consumer Brother is probably the way to go. Always search the model number and see what people say.

My $100 brother laser printer I bought 6 months ago has printed everything I asked (dozens and dozens of pages) from Windows, Linux (well supported linux drivers!) and our families mix of apple and android phones.

Brother is pretty much the only printer brand I still trust. So far, no bullshit of any kind.

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by bragr »

rasz wrote: post #51
__d wrote: post #25

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HPE took the PC server business. I'd hardly call that "wretched"?

I mean, they still offer financing on Itanium CPUs https://buy.hpe.com/us/en/options/processors/intel-itanium-p...

Why does this site try to load Widevine?

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by jorts »

briffle wrote: post #79
bombcar wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get a used one, might not be that bad. But a consumer Brother is probably the way to go. Always search the model number and see what people say.

My $100 brother laser printer I bought 6 months ago has printed everything I asked (dozens and dozens of pages) from Windows, Linux (well supported linux drivers!) and our families mix of apple and android phones.

Mine died after printing three pages so your mileage may vary.

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by toast0 »

usr1106 wrote: post #23
AlbertCory wrote: post #7

Read: "Bill & Dave" by Michael Malone. Agilent took the heart & soul of HP. Then it split further (Keysight et al) HP took the printers, which at least used to be a good business. HPE is the wretched refuse that's left.

> printers, which used to be a good business Good business as in earning money or as producing customer satisfaction? I don't know about the former, but I do know that HP printers are a horrible user experience these days. The printer is connected via USB, but it cannot be used without an internet connection to their data collection and ink selling cloud nonsense. I will never by anything from that brand again. (I us…

I have nothing but good feelings about LaserJet I-6 and the 4000s era circa 1998. I've heard newer models aren't quite as tanks.

Lots of good/reasonable experience with Deskjet 660 and 720C. Although the driver situation for 64-bit windows got real terrible (microsoft had a working driver for server 2003, but insisted on shipping a broken driver for vista/7, so you had to dig up the old one. I think Windows 10 changed the driver model, but I had abanonded the printer for something worse by then. HP support forums could tell you how, but couldn't get it fixed in windows update)

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by zamadatix »

nsteel wrote: post #66
user3939382 wrote: post #17

Great let’s just have 2 vendors in every industry in the world with a combined 90% market share.

> a combined 90% market share. I was under the impression Juniper market share had been falling consistently. But it sounds like there is a market where they are still doing well, what is it? Enterprise something?

Juniper is still decently popular in their core routing business. On k12 and small enterprise they've had good fortune with their Mist acquisition. I think the latter was honestly the main driver for the merger.

I think GP was trying to say a few network companies are buying everything up not that Juniper had a majority share itself though. Look at the merger graphs for Cisco, HPE (adding in Juniper's now), and Extreme and a lot of the diversity that used to be "not Cisco" and became alternative growth is going back to being a few companies with a stranglehold on share again.

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by lokar »

usr1106 wrote: post #24
user3939382 wrote: post #17

Great let’s just have 2 vendors in every industry in the world with a combined 90% market share.

Why only 90%? For smart phone operating systems it's higher I'd assume (not counting China, that's not a free country anyway). Same for desktop computers. A major failure of free market economics that is widely ignored by politics.

Except the big cloud companies have been replacing more and more high end gear from vendors like juniper with in house designs, which are gradually percolating out. High end routing and switching gear is gradually becoming commodity.

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by zamadatix »

_cormorant wrote: post #32

I work in a primarily Juniper environment, and I'm not that familiar with HPE (Did they previously have anything in the networking space?). It's sounding pretty doom-and-gloom in here, what should my level of concern be? I would be pretty bummed to change vendor. Junos is probably my favorite networking OS. The CLI is comfortable, BSD is never too far away, and the config structure is gorgeous . IOS (and similar) can…

I work at a network VAR partnered with both of these companies, but these thoughts are my own assumptions. HPE didn't immediately implode Aruba, I don't think they'll immediately implode Juniper either. That said, I don't think it's a good move as a fan of Juniper myself. I think Mist/AI led the desire for the acquisition, particularly with their performance in the lower end market last year vs HPE Aruba type products which usually win for higher end enterprise. I'm cautious about how they'll handle the other product lines, particularly on how much the care about them. Obviously nothing is disappearing overnight though, this will be something that shakes out over years.

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Post by nickstinemates »

insaneirish wrote: post #73
mrweasel wrote: post #57

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I would very much like someone in charge at either HPE or Juniper to explain to me in plain English what that means exactly, in practical terms. I doubt it means anything.

They are focused on their Mist product line which uses machine learning to troubleshoot and root cause issues.

And it is a fairly interesting product.

Their direction seems to be this framing.. "why would I want to look at a set of graphs/metrics when I can have something tell me exactly what is wrong and make recommendations on how to fix?"

Whether it works in practice or not, who knows. But it is interesting.

Re: Juniper Networks to Combine with HPE

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Post by merlyn »

SkipperCat wrote: post #20
jasoneckert wrote: post #8

I remember working with Juniper equipment a decade ago (I didn't like it because I've traditionally worked exclusively with Cisco equipment), but I haven't heard anyone in my circles mention Juniper since. Are they considered a niche vendor today (similar to Novell in the 2000s)?

Companies go with Juniper because they can outfit a data center at half the price of Cisco. NYSE did that a decade or more ago with their Mahwah data center. Its not really a bad strategy. If you're going to have a large team of network engineers work continuously on a the Juniper tech stack, they'll get use to it - even if they were raised on Cisco IOS. Juniper stuff works just as well as the rest of them.

For a very long time, Juniper lead over Cisco for performance and features. After the run of the original Catalyst switches, Cisco was floundering, resting on their past successes without really pushing anything.

We bought Juniper gear at the time because nothing Cisco had would work well for us. At least at not any sane price point, and lots of restrictions/gotchas.

Cisco finally got their wind back eventually on their Nexus gear, catching up and run neck-and-neck between Juniper & Arista now.

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