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IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#91

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> I would have gladly accepted less money than I had made before. I don't really need it. The work is what interests me. We need an acceptable way to express this, without desperately extolling you'll take less money. I think a lot of us "old guys" are in the same boat; I don't need 150k, I'll take 100k if the work is interesting, and I'm more likely to be loyal to boot.

> I'm more likely to be loyal The funny thing, is that I've been told that "Old people are just cruising to retirement," but it's OK to establish your entire business infrastructure on the idea that your young, energetic, engineers will not remain at the company for more than 18 months.

>but it's OK to establish your entire business infrastructure on the idea that your young, energetic, engineers will not remain at the company for more than 18 months.

Yeah, it's a tough nut.

It's understandable that SV companies want ambitious strivers that move on every 2 years, for the same reason many of these CEOs consider the "job done" as soon as they get "an exit". The life of the company is measured in months.

But if you're building a company for the long term, you need smart, loyal people who build institutional knowlededge within the company. This isn't something you can fast track, I don't care if you're the brightest MIT AI grad.

You need both.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#92

Since a lot of quite large corporations had big layoffs, does this mean the jobs shifted from the big corporations to the smaller ones, or is that too simple?

Those same large corps shifted to hiring again.

One of the factors that they looked at were remote workers when they wanted local, office based workers.

We are also seeing a glut of over hiring to deal with changes in pandemic demands and productivity.

Finally, many companies run on borrowed cash. This means they need to make repayments and with the high interest rates they need to adjust to that.

Once they are meeting their payments comfortably we will see a surge in hiring.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#93
Every F500 company is Almost There on automating absolutely everything through ServiceNow and that's without AI being in the mix yet.

There's always going to be a place for coders who can massage the API links between packages or run an ERP, but you don't need IT when your firm is disposable line staff, institutional knowledge lives in the codebase, and HR has mostly been replaced by Workday.

UBI when?

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#94

Everyone is talking about layoffs and lack of hiring, but I've found the problem to be that companies are cutting costs by silently increasing workload on existing employees. Everyone is getting burnt out trying to keep a 300-person engineering team running on only 100 head count. That leads to more incidents, slower delivery, less innovation, longer hours. Even those who are still employed are seeing working conditi…

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Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Honestly, I could feel it. In 2023, I practiced ~200 leetcode problems and learned how to create an LLM but I felt like I was the least employable I'd ever been. It was very difficult to get interviews, and even though I managed to get multiple offers, many of these were at companies I'd not normally have accepted offers from. It took a long time to find a job offer I wanted to accept. I do feel that there are signs…

> In 2023, I practiced ~200 leetcode problems and learned how to create an LLM but I felt like I was the least employable I'd ever been. You did two superficial things and are surprised you didn't feel more qualified? Practicing / memorizing leetcode and having a rudimentary understanding of LLMs (if I were hiring, we're targeting advanced degrees with a focus in the space) -- yeah, probably not sufficient. This is a…

OP also had multiple offers they would "not normally accept".

We are spoiled in this industry.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#96

Every F500 company is Almost There on automating absolutely everything through ServiceNow and that's without AI being in the mix yet. There's always going to be a place for coders who can massage the API links between packages or run an ERP, but you don't need IT when your firm is disposable line staff, institutional knowledge lives in the codebase, and HR has mostly been replaced by Workday. UBI when?

Serious question: Why is the answer to firms automating everything "give me money for doing nothing" and not "get a different job?"

Don't get me wrong I would love shorter work weeks, fewer hours a day, etc. for the same pay. That was the promise of all this additional productivity, after all. But even that is still getting paid for work.

I just can't rationalize the idea of paying an entire population for nothing.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#97
Is there any clarity around what constitutes IT? Does it range from installing printer drivers to writing software for self-driving cars? I look at IT as a cost-center focused on keeping the company business running - internally focused (email, finance, ops, sales, etc) - but NOT product development. However I am not sure how the government defines it for these stats.

Edit: to simplify my personal definition - if your report to the CIO - IT, if you report to a product group - not IT.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#98
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of big-co are setting up subsidiaries overseas and hiring there. It's different from the contract based offshoring model that happened in 2007 or so which had rather disastrous results. I know my company has and plans to have almost 1/2 its IT workforce as direct employees overseas.

Same. My "team" is doubling in size, but all the hires are international.

It’s time we unionize as software developers. You saw what the UAW achieved, Software Engineering needs the same type of protections

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

#99

Everyone is talking about layoffs and lack of hiring, but I've found the problem to be that companies are cutting costs by silently increasing workload on existing employees. Everyone is getting burnt out trying to keep a 300-person engineering team running on only 100 head count. That leads to more incidents, slower delivery, less innovation, longer hours. Even those who are still employed are seeing working conditi…

Is this based on Elon’s idea of trimming the fat?

Id like to believe it isnt but its a copycat industry.

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