Can one see original Eliza sourcode anywhere?
AI or Ain't: Eliza
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Re: AI or Ain't: Eliza
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
> cannot reason anybody out of something that they want to believe. Especially when your own reasons are not the slam dunk you think they are.
Both sides of this debate are competing to see who can post the most snide comments to the other.
There is a ton of arrogance everywhere on this subject. Anyone who doesn't see how complicated and nuanced and difficult figuring out what the hell is going on here really needs to sit down and think a little more carefully. There's absolutely no room for out-of-hand dismissal. We are all babes in the woods right now. We need each other, like always.
Re: AI or Ain't: Eliza
#93In a very rough sense, it actually seems more similar to what LLMs are doing than I would have assumed. That might mainly be because they are both attempting to generate more text from an input.
Re: AI or Ain't: Eliza
#94Here is the pointer to the original Eliza paper https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/365153.365168 Note that Weizenbaum was an AI critic: Weizenbaum's intention was not for Eliza to pass the Turing test, but to show to people that a clearly not intelligent program based on primitive pattern matching can appear to behave intelligently. He failed: His own secretary wanted to be left alone with the software and typed in her p…
Never underestimate human stupidity!
Re: AI or Ain't: Eliza
#95Here is the pointer to the original Eliza paper https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/365153.365168 Note that Weizenbaum was an AI critic: Weizenbaum's intention was not for Eliza to pass the Turing test, but to show to people that a clearly not intelligent program based on primitive pattern matching can appear to behave intelligently. He failed: His own secretary wanted to be left alone with the software and typed in her p…
Weizenbaum even wrote an entire book, Computer Power and Human Reason: From Judgment To Calculation, on how AI is a crank term for computer science. The basic premise is that humans are not machine so stop using language that treats them as such. Especially that computers can decide what comes next, but only a human can choose what to do. The book also has one of the best and most succinct descriptions of Turing mach…
“Me no likee” - Joseph Agassi
This post of yours sent me looking for this and I ended up with (now reading) Agassi’s provocative (& brutal) takedown of this book. As to the content of the book, Agassi pointedly mentioned Weiner. I will of course read Weizenbaum after this. (thanks.)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/286058724_Computer_...
p.s. continuing on, the review turns very positive. Initial vitriol apparently more related to the “two worlds” matter.
Re: AI or Ain't: Eliza
#96I remember this being written in basic for the c64. Not sure if I had the real Eliza or a clone. But it was fun to look at all of the canned responses and try to get it to respond with them.
Probably a variant of the Eliza program in "More BASIC Computer Games", see p. 56 of this PDF: https://ia802707.us.archive.org/33/items/More_BASIC_Computer...
That's likely the one.
Re: AI or Ain't: Eliza
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doing things because you can and not because you have to? Creative endeavors in the largest sense?
How do you imagine that act of choosing happens in your brain in a way that isn't computable?
Computable by who?
Because you don't have the full list of correlations and there are superlinear things (tail events) you'll get a probabilistic estimation at best.
Re: AI or Ain't: Eliza
#98Here is the pointer to the original Eliza paper https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/365153.365168 Note that Weizenbaum was an AI critic: Weizenbaum's intention was not for Eliza to pass the Turing test, but to show to people that a clearly not intelligent program based on primitive pattern matching can appear to behave intelligently. He failed: His own secretary wanted to be left alone with the software and typed in her p…
Take a look at this project that has rediscovered and recreated the original ELIZA source code. You can even try out an accurate reimplementation of ELIZA
Re: AI or Ain't: Eliza
#99Can one see original Eliza sourcode anywhere?
Re: AI or Ain't: Eliza
#100> One of the first computer programs that successfully passed the Turing test was Eliza. Created in 1966 by Joseph Weizenbaum, Eliza skillfully emulated the speech patterns of a psychotherapist in its conversations. Why was the Turing test still relevant after this? Didn't this indicate it was very flawed test? Or it was hard to come up with a better test?
The variant of the Turing test that Eliza has passed is the easiest one. That is: convince a novice interrogator that what is on the other side of the screen is a human.
The real turing test (the imitation game) involve a computer and a human subject, both talking to a human interrogator. The interrogator must determine who is the human. It is an adverserial situation, both the human subject and interrogator do everything in their power for the interrogator to correctly identify the computer. The computer has to not only convince the interrogator, but also do it better than the human subject. Furthermore, both humans are supposed to be experts in the game, just like the computer that is designed to pass the test. So, not just random people.