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I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by accelbred »

developerDan wrote: post #83
hhh wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t want to tweak stuff for a week to get a comparable experience playing games to a fresh W11 install.

Why don’t people like Linux? Because it takes 8 bloody commands to do something as simple as add a new drive whereas Windows you can just open disk utility and format. I bounced off Linux a few weeks ago over this. It’s for people who want to tinker more than actually use the system.

On Gnome, you open the disk manager. You click format.

In fact a lot of things are easier. On windows, you need a third party tool to install an iso onto a disk. On Gnome, you open disk manager, right click disk, click restore from image.

Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by cma »

COGlory wrote: post #23
jorvi wrote: post #4

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I’ll dissent. After hearing people be ecstatic, I thought I’d go full-in on Linux gaming. I have a pretty bog-standard gaming PC that is very Linux-compatible (Intel i5 + Radeon 6800XT) and on there Apex Legends has horrid frame pacing issues, Mirror’s Edge doesn’t work with wireless Xbox controllers. You lose out on a lot of GPU suite features that Windows has. Gnome doesn’t support VRR. Etc etc. There’s so many sma…

FYI Valve is primarily deploying KDE, which does support VRR. They can't really control what dumb decisions the GNOME folks make. For Mirror's Edge, were you using Steam Input?

> were you using Steam Input?

Steam Input is rapidly becoming the Google Play Services of the desktop linux world. On Steam Deck for a long time you couldn't even use the touchpads without the Steam client running.

Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by bisby »

developerDan wrote: post #83
hhh wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t want to tweak stuff for a week to get a comparable experience playing games to a fresh W11 install.

Why don’t people like Linux? Because it takes 8 bloody commands to do something as simple as add a new drive whereas Windows you can just open disk utility and format. I bounced off Linux a few weeks ago over this. It’s for people who want to tinker more than actually use the system.

That's untrue though. Linux has a disk utility (I use gparted personally). And you can surely do it on the command line in a single command.

On Linux you could automate that task. How would you propose automating "open disk utility and click a few buttons" on Windows?

This is less of a "Linux can't" issue and more of a "I quickly know how to do it on Windows after years of experience and I don't know how to do it on Linux." Linux not being identical to Windows isn't a flaw. No one blames you for not wanting to relearn, but pretending like Linux is bad because your Windows muscle memory doesn't apply is nonsense.

Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by jxf »

Arnavion wrote: post #82
ho_schi wrote: post #57

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https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1154 You can install it upon Arch from AUR. Putting that aside: Windows users always find a reason not to switch to Linux because some missing feature . In two years? There will be another new feature or game on Windows. I remember people insisting on using Windows because it support their „3D-Shutter glasses“ or their card from Nvidia. Either you want use Linux…

>First. That is wrong. Important features like cgroups, namespace and containers/Flatpak where novelly developed upon Linux. I get your overall point, but the first "process containers" code that later became cgroups was merged to the kernel in 2007. Windows came out with the Job Objects API in Windows 2000 (NT 5.0) in 2000.

IMO, the Job Objects API was not really suitable to use in production settings; it had many weird edge cases, so although it looked similar to cgroups it often broke in strange and unpredictable ways.

Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by pjmlp »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #2

I was totally blown away by how good Proton is in the post Steam Deck world. I now play Steam games on my Linux laptop almost daily because they “just work” even when the only listed supported platform is Windows

Pity that it solidifies Windows as the top PC gaming OS, that all studios should care about.

Let Valve do the needful for running them under GNU/Linux, if at all.

Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by [deleted] »

developerDan wrote: post #83
hhh wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t want to tweak stuff for a week to get a comparable experience playing games to a fresh W11 install.

Why don’t people like Linux? Because it takes 8 bloody commands to do something as simple as add a new drive whereas Windows you can just open disk utility and format. I bounced off Linux a few weeks ago over this. It’s for people who want to tinker more than actually use the system.

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Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by glitchcrab »

smoldesu wrote: post #44
Old-Assumption wrote: post #38

I wanted to do use SteamOS for our LR PC, our kitchen ambiance PC and our MBR PC but instead installed Ubuntu (upgraded to Kubuntu) then disabled Snap because SteamOS which runs KDE and was a great call by Valve, is built on Arch, a bad call IMHO.

> built on Arch, a bad call IMHO. I'd be curious to hear why. Arch deserves it's reputation for poor stability, but for Valve's application with OSTree and immutable root should work fine. For users who don't want to tinker, they can receive a quality first-party experience with smooth upgrades. Users that do want to tinker are largely funneled into using Flatpak or AppImage, which are much more stable than AUR packa…

Can we please stop with the FUD around Arch and poor stability? It's an old meme which will never die, but it has no basis in reality. I've been using Arch on my personal and work laptops for probably 7 years now and the only time it had been a problem has been due to layer 8 issues and doing something stupid. I certainly wouldn't be using it for work if it was unstable.

Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by earthling8118 »

aseipp wrote: post #64
ekianjo wrote: post #15

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Not every gamer wants an esport experience to have fun

There's nothing "esports" about wanting to avoid wallhacks/aimbots in games like Tarkov, Rust, or Destiny, which completely ruin the entire game for every player in the lobby in an instant. It has nothing to do with "esports" and everything to do with actually being able to play the game. Do you also think it's because of "esports" when you're forbidden from cheating at a game of chess in person? When my friend plays…

A kernel level invasion of privacy is required to stop flying players? That doesn't sound right to me. Not to mention that apparently it isn't working if your friend is witnessing it.

So players of those games are sacrificing privacy for no security at all by the sounds of it.

Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by 0x457 »

bravetraveler wrote: post #46
jcastro wrote: post #5

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Works if the developer enables it. For example: Halo Infinite works fine, but Destiny and Call of Duty don't.

* depending on the anti-cheat or DRM This is true for at least EAC/EasyAntiCheat. This covers a lot, sure, but not everything!

It depends on both. Anti-cheat used by Destiny 2 is supported, but Bungie needs to allow it first.
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