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Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by rafaelrc »

freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

> A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack of privacy.

Just like a "free" government option?

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

shaicoleman wrote: post #73

Outlook/Hotmail blocks DigitalOcean. After half a dozens attempts over the years to delist my IP, and following all the best practices (dedicated fixed IP, SPF, DKIM, DMARC, FCrDNS, zero spam, TLS, etc.) I gave up. Eventually, most people realize that their Outlook/Hotmail email service is defective because they're not receiving emails, and they migrate to another email service.

> Outlook/Hotmail blocks DigitalOcean.

Microsoft blocking a mail server and DO being blocked aren't necessarily the same thing.

I service a number of MS accounts (hosted domain and O/H/live.com) and they block mail from small servers I manage - and from (non-major) online services I work with. There are forums frequent that send verification mails to MS addys that never arrive.

Past that: My last time blocking mail server attacks from DO IPs is today. It's always today and has been years and years. Not just DO. OVH, Psychz and a at least doz more attack with that consistency.

[edit: Post below mentions DO SMTP changes in 2022. DO is still attacky but less attacky is possible. Not sure.]

And not that far behind, Amazon. Amazon is a lot harder because unlike the above, I regularly get legit traffic from them.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by airstrike »

Aardwolf wrote: post #88
judge2020 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd still need to be able to block these addresses or at least have a reputation system for them, otherwise telemarketers would just tank their own reputation for some sales, or people would pay the homeless to sign up and let them send spam via their digital inbox.

Make it cost a few cents to send a mail with it, just like stamps of physical mail. It's mostly intended for receiving anyway.

That's the truth, really. Email should cost [$0.02] or some similar value. You'd solve spam overnight.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by gtirloni »

judge2020 wrote: post #89
blcknight wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would probably work in a lot of European countries or places with high levels of government trust. I could see the German post office for example offering something like this and getting wide acceptance. You’ll have a lot of distrustful Americans commenting how terrible this idea is and the government can’t be trusted. They’d rather get it from a corporation and be subjected to unlimited surveillance capitalism…

How does anyone have trust in their government besides to provide basic services? Every single government is hellbent on mass surveillance, and the EU is currently leading the way, not the US: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/11/article-45-will-roll-b...

How does anyone have trust in their governments to provide even basic services? Not where I live.

Still, I'd prefer to try and fix it (for various levels of "fixing") than throw the baby with the bathwater. It's an imperfect system but trusting a corporation is no better.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by briandear »

freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

I definitely don’t like government being involved with that. Because it would evolve into “you must use your official government provided email address for .” And once that address gets out there, you’ll be spammed your entire life because companies and governments and credit bureaus and other potentially annoying actors would know that’s “your” email address. Hard pass.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by unclet »

Dunedan wrote: post #66

After many years of regularly getting blocked by Hotmail and outlook.com, I just decided to reject every incoming email from Hotmail and Outlook with an error message explaining the situation. If they don't allow me to respond to emails sent by their customers, why would I allow them to send me emails in the first place?

If all indie mail servers blocked by Hotmail block mail from the blocker, it will make the big player review their blocking policy.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by briandear »

lesuorac wrote: post #80
cogman10 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember when the US gov did that with a number? The SSN? I don't know how you can make something like this "easy to recover" without introducing giant security problems.

Yeah it was so much better keeping a book of letters from creditors that you showed to any future creditor to show trustworthy-ness. Whatever mess you think SSNs have caused by their unintended use outweighs the previous system. The simple test for that is, why do people use SSNs as it's not legally required for anything but USG interactions.

Because companies require them.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by briandear »

blcknight wrote: post #42
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

This would probably work in a lot of European countries or places with high levels of government trust. I could see the German post office for example offering something like this and getting wide acceptance. You’ll have a lot of distrustful Americans commenting how terrible this idea is and the government can’t be trusted. They’d rather get it from a corporation and be subjected to unlimited surveillance capitalism…

Yeah, the Germans have such a great reputation when it comes to trusting government. Many aren’t old enough to remember the fun of the Stasi and the West German equivalent, the BND. And let’s not forget the Nazis with their meticulous tracking and record keeping.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by briandear »

j-bos wrote: post #85
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

I mean, iirc in the USA the postal service is a consitutionally mandated service. So this could be (legally) done "overnight" simply by defining electronic mail sevice as a form of postal service. Plus that would be an email service subject to the privacy protections of the USPS.

USPS “privacy?” Lol.

https://epic.org/postal-service-surveillance-program-targete...

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

>When I try to reply his message in my mail client, it received the following error message:

> Delivery to xxx@outlook.com failed with error: outlook-com.olc.protection.outlook.com. said:...

He got error messages? I get mail silently dropped.

MS drops mail from my reputable mail servers - and from rep svs that send mail to MS accts I manage.

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