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US utility firms offer builders cash/trips to fit new homes with gas appliances

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Microwave works pretty good too.

Have to be careful about super heated water and flash boiling.

Most consumer microwaves have a turntable in them, which eliminates that problem. That's one of the reasons why most consumer microwaves have a turntable.

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That's just a policy choice. There's no law of physics that makes an electric heat pump cost more.

How is that policy choice? Are be subsidizing the natural gas suppliers or adding fees to natty generation plants?

Retail prices of both electricity and mineral gas are highly regulated. They aren't market outcomes in any sense.

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Actually it is physics and the market https://www.statista.com/statistics/220174/total-us-electric... a huge percentage of us electrical power is from natural gas. Natural gas to electricity to heat is a lot less efficient.

There's not even a physics reason why a heat pump needs to be electric. There are gas-fired heat pumps. There are even gas-fired refrigerators. These weird anti heat-pump memes are just being regurgitated by people who do not understand what they are talking about.

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We replaced our electric with induction instead of gas, which my wife much prefers to cook on. One of my best arguments against gas was that every gas stovetop available has a heavy iron framework over the flame to hold pots, and it's a pain to clean under them.

I really like the heavy grates though. Some of my recipes require me to really go to town on heavy cast iron pots and pans. Busting a glass top is a real bummer. In such cases it's almost better to have the old-school electric burners (there's a reason apartments almost never have a "nice" glass range).

Every apartment I ever lived in that had electric had a glass range. If you’re even a little careful it’s perfectly fine. It sounds like you enjoy performative clattering, and if that’s your preference then more power to you, but that’s highly abnormal.

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OK. That is indeed a sucky experience. The only thing induction doesn't do well is cooking with things like woks, where you have a curved surface that you want to heat evenly.

Or any large pot or pan. Gas heat distributes heat nicely across the bottom and sides of any size pot you put on it. Even rectangular pans and dishes. Even an old school electric is better in this regard than an induction top. If you lay a big cast iron pan across your induction top (which you wouldn't want to to begin with) it will literally only heat up the molecules directly above your biggest burner. So while an…

There are induction cooktops which will heat a griddle the size of a half sheet tray, and will automatically sense when it’s there and turn on the bridge. They also have fewer hotspots than gas, which definitely doesn’t heat evenly on thin nonstick cookware.

I have cooked on induction for close to a decade with heavy cast iron and no scratches much less cracking. Just be even slightly careful and you’ll be fine. Induction is amazing.

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Your place may have an extremely underpowered gas stove? Tons of places do stir fry on gas. Probably the norm I would say. If you go to a hibachi grill, they're doing it right out in the open.

A home gas stove in the US will probably make around 10k BTUs. Some have burners designed for high heat cooking that might go over 20k BTUs. Your average wok burner used for stir frying in a restaurant is going to be over 100k BTUs, possibly 200k. To be clear, you can do a tasty stir fry over lower heat; but realize that the commercial wok burners are specialized equipment, and any home gas stove will be underpowered…

I don't wok cook.

It sounds like the person I was originally responding to doesn't have a complaint with gas stoves but more with the fact that they are no longer cooking on a specialized piece of equipment.

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I would literally buy propane camping stove and a big bottle of propane rather than use an electrical stove.

Why is that?

Latency on adjustments primarily.

If you're cooking a roux for example or sauteing garlic, 30 second latency is enough to ruin them.

Also, I have a feeling that the heat is distributed more evenly but no concrete evidence on that.

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How is that policy choice? Are be subsidizing the natural gas suppliers or adding fees to natty generation plants?

Retail prices of both electricity and mineral gas are highly regulated. They aren't market outcomes in any sense.

I live in Texas. At least for electricity it’s a fairly free market of prices. I would be surprised to learn natty gas is being heavily subsidized here too.

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As someone who cooks quite a lot, it's not propaganda. Induction has 2 minor/moderate annoyances vs gas: It gets low temp by varying the time the burner is on full and heating diminishes rapidly if the pan isn't in close contact with the element. The former can be super annoying in some situations (i.e. making a sauce) as the sauce boils for a second, then gets too cold non stop. The latter can be a big problem if yo…

>it should be individual choice depending on your own personal situation. Your average individual is completely unequipped to make an informed decision on this topic. They have no idea their crappy gas stove is spewing high volumes of carcinogens and other nasty things into their kitchen. We do the same thing for toys, my wife should be able to buy my child a toy at the store without having to bring an XRF gun to loo…

So, either your comparison is false equivalence or lead is way safer than it has been made out to be and probably deserves less restriction, because gas ranges are not default unsafe.

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That might be a bit of propaganda from the gas industry over the last 50 years. I heard similar but when i dug into it appeared to be bunk… i cook on electric now and love it.

Cooking food over an open flame has been the standard since prehistoric times. Possibly the idea that a hot electric coil is just as good is the propaganda?

A hot electric coil IS true garbage, it's inefficient and slow (I have one of these at home). When we say electric here, we mean induction.

Personally I'm a fan of cooking with gas. The inability to lift and move the pan on induction I don't like, and the glass tops they come with I find far too delicate for my liking.

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