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The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by cft »

peyton wrote: post #72
eatonphil wrote: post #51

It seems worth looking into what section of the population (either in terms of age or marital status or number of children or education or salary or whatnot) is moving out of NYC. For example, NYC still ranks at the top of where college graduates apply to [0]. [0] https://joinhandshake.com/blog/employers/where-are-college-s...

The comptroller’s report makes it look more like white flight. Especially figure 6.

Not sure how you drew that conclusion, from the original write-up:

"The median wage of those who left the city in 2022 was $49,000, which was 18% less than those who left in 2021.

Among those who left the city in 2022, 64% were non-White, which was higher than the 58% in 2021 and the 62% in 2019 and 2018."

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by chrisco255 »

eatonphil wrote: post #51

It seems worth looking into what section of the population (either in terms of age or marital status or number of children or education or salary or whatnot) is moving out of NYC. For example, NYC still ranks at the top of where college graduates apply to [0]. [0] https://joinhandshake.com/blog/employers/where-are-college-s...

This is mostly a function of population size for a city. NYC is by far the largest city so it makes sense they would also be among the cities getting the most applicants. You'd have to do a trend or growth rate analysis to see what's happening.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by mtalantikite »

jjulius wrote: post #32
cglan wrote: post #12

I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

>I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. >Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a cities of millions. I'm currently in my mid-30's. Throughout all of my 20's, I thought it would be a blast to live in NYC. Then I had a good stretch where I visited it a whole bunch of times, hanging out with fri…

>...the topic of conversation among locals, both locals who knew each other and locals who just met one another, was about where they're living, how much their rent is, what kind of battle they had to go through to get the place ...

New Yorkers have been doing this for decades upon decades. When I moved here in the early 2000s I thought it was weird too, but it's totally normal to ask those sorts of questions of each other here. It's been difficult to "make it" here for as long as New York has been New York. My grandmother once told me towards the end of her life about how she and my grandfather had tried to live in NYC back after WWII and how hard it was, how they didn't last long. I didn't even know they had lived anywhere besides the Boston area until then.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by lotsofpulp »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53
gandalfgeek wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "resilience" argument was misused and misapplied during the pandemic. You also saw it used for school closures -- "kids are resilient". It seems to justify inflicting known harms by having faith in "resilience".

covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

I have no problem with sacrificing the elderly for the benefit of the kids. A few months of shutdown was reasonable, but shutting schools down for a couple years is too big of a price to pay.

Also, my kids were in daycare the whole time outside of Mar to May 2020, and they were spreading all sorts of viruses just like they were before COVID. How the government chose to allow the most prolific spreaders to congregate day after day, but prevent less prolific spreaders is very inconsistent logic.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

Racing0461 wrote: post #76
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

> erodes my faith in humanity Opposite for me. Maybe people still care about freedom and agency after all.

Or maybe our inability to collectively act and sacrifice to save over a million people is damning. It absolutely gutted my faith that we'll successfully tackle climate change.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by 4death4 »

vitno wrote: post #68
thehappypm wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NYC is insanely dense already. “Just build more housing” isn’t really viable.

"just build more housing" is definitely viable here in NYC. NYC is not that dense in comparison to many other major metropolis in the world.

Really? Compared to what other metropolises?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by parineum »

ThomPete wrote: post #28
cglan wrote: post #12

I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

Agree. Food wise it's wild too. What used to be the price of an entres is now the price of an appetizer and the service have gotten down too. Getting a place you actually want to live 2 bedrooms is at least $4K we pay much more because we live in a nice building. But it's still a great city and I am sure somethings gotta give.

> and the service have gotten down too

This is a tangent but mid and post pandemic, restaurant service seems to be significantly worse. Prices going up at least makes sense to me, prices are up everywhere, it is what it is and I can still afford to eat out. However, I find rarely do go out to restaurants now and service is a major part of that. Not to mention tipping percentages seems to have inflated on top of prices and for worse service...

I tend to end up at more casual places where I'm ordering at the counter and my food comes out to me (bistro's I guess? I'm not sure what the term is) where I'm mostly on my own after that, getting my own silverware, drinks, napkins, etc.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by CydeWeys »

gotaran wrote: post #86
CydeWeys wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's entirely possible that you aren't missing anything, that you aren't cut out for this kind of living. But many people are and find it highly desirable, many millions more than can currently afford to live here. Also, I moved here for a job at a FANG. This is a top tier tech city, with salaries matched only by the Bay Area and Seattle. Compared to those other two I find NYC obviously superior.

If you’re at a FAANG, especially at a $300k+ total compensation, NYC is very livable. In unit washer/dryer might be a stretch, but you can comfortably get a 1BR luxury apartment without much effort in a nice part of Manhattan.

Yeah. Between my girlfriend and I who live together (she's also at a FANG), we just barely clear 7 figures. It's easy for us to afford living here, and my commute is a short ten minute bike ride. I barely even ever take the subway, that's how convenient everything is.

The lack of housing isn't displacing people like us, it's displacing people who make less than us. And frankly our building is not nearly luxurious enough as it should be for how much we're paying for it, which is another symptom of the lack of housing construction over the decades (the average housing stock here is too old).

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by ModernMech »

nemo44x wrote: post #78
luxurytent wrote: post #14

Cities are amazingly resilient and it feels like every generation has a moment in which the city largest and most local to them is having a revival. Seems most large metros are going through some post-COVID pains: Increase in crime, extreme high cost of living, etc. New York will, like always, come back. But! The benefit to our mid size cities is great. We need these mid size cities to grow, and from my understanding…

Covid maybe in part but it’s mainly because of the demands that enforcing laws must stop by activists and certain political organizations. So crime is up and the city looks shabby and there’s drugged out zombies and homeless everywhere. So people leave. It’s what happened in the 1960/70’s - lots of political changes made cities hospitable to crime and people left. As cities managed to become nice again, people moved…

Which specific laws are not being enforced and which specific political organizations caused this?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by flextheruler »

ghj wrote: post #26
saalweachter wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only around 0.4% of the city's population died of COVID, as of March 2023.

That's crazy high isn't it? That's 1 out of 250 people!

Drug overdoses killed more than covid in NYC in 2021
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