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Re: No star, No fix

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Post by johnnyanmac »

actionfromafar wrote: post #61
skywal_l wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's many cases where that's not true and indeed low-quality bug reports hurt the projects from getting better, specially for mid-to-high popular solo projects. So it's ok to report low quality bugs as long as you give stars? I know that's not your argument, but this is what this thread is about.

Maybe not, but at least they got a star out of it. Github sets up social network gamification incentives, wins social network gamification prizes…

Well yes. And like any good game you should report abuse of its features.

Re: No star, No fix

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Post by theamk »

andersonmvd wrote: post #12
theamk wrote: post #2

I wonder if this goes against github's "no automated starring" policy [0] (that people have been banned for in the past). Maybe "coordinated inauthentic activity" ? Either way, feels sleazy. [0] https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/acceptable-use-polici...

I fail to see a reason where it would be a violation because of the following reasons: 1) it's a response to a user's request, i.e., not initiated by the repo author 2) it depends on consensus of the user. 3) it's not automated (most of the items from the policy are related to automation). 4) the repo author has no obligation whatsoever of maintaining the project. He is not paid or forced to do it. 5) if the user rea…

This cheats the other users (like me or you) -- if we are looking at the project's star count, you are likely trying to judge project's popularity and get a measure of how many people like it.

And dae's star count is basically a lie - it does not represent how many people liked it, but rather how many people had found annoying bugs in it. Someone who is forced to use dae and hates it would still need to star it. And as you said, other projects who don't have this practice are in disadvantage.

(And that's why I have no problem with things like CLAs, or requiring details bug reports: they are not user-visible and they don't mess with global rating.)

Re: No star, No fix

#93

Post by randyrand »

_lvbh wrote: post #34

What are stars even worth? Certainly not the number of possible contributors this chases away (I see issue reporters as contributors as well since they’re spending effort finding/debugging what you would have to do at some point anyways) All this for a measly 1500 stars

It helps make the repo most popular

- more bug reports

- more community documentation

- more user testing

- etc

Re: No star, No fix

#94

Post by _8j50 »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #70
8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #9

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Because it artificially bloats the star count so that it no longer represents how many people are interested in the project.... Although if you've filed an issue you kind of are invested already

I might have no interest in or even actively dislike a project but it might be for work or for a customer or there might be no other option. Filing an issue is not equivalent or a reasonable stand-in for interest and DEFINITELY not for regard or admiration.

You are right but then the project authors don't owe you support and don't want to support you if you are in that situation, so fork it or find another project.

Re: No star, No fix

#95

Post by Brian_K_White »

_8j50 wrote: post #94
Brian_K_White wrote: post #70

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I might have no interest in or even actively dislike a project but it might be for work or for a customer or there might be no other option. Filing an issue is not equivalent or a reasonable stand-in for interest and DEFINITELY not for regard or admiration.

You are right but then the project authors don't owe you support and don't want to support you if you are in that situation, so fork it or find another project.

This user was offering to do work and give it to them.

Re: No star, No fix

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Post by _8j50 »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #95
_8j50 wrote: post #94

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You are right but then the project authors don't owe you support and don't want to support you if you are in that situation, so fork it or find another project.

This user was offering to do work and give it to them.

And they have the right to refuse. Do you know how many times my PRs have been turned down after I already finished the work? Sometimes they only accept PRs if you're in their click lol. That's all fine but clicking on a star is so despicable right? What a joke.

Re: No star, No fix

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Post by _8j50 »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #88
_8j50 wrote: post #54

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> it's a dependency downstream and it's breaking my actual project. You depend on it but so much as clicking in a star button is burdensome? Come on! > I'm in evaluation/research phase for multiple repos and am not committed to that specific tool. Actions like this actively make me NOT want to star such behavior, nor even use the tool if I can help it Then the author's don't want you to use their project, so fork it…

>You depend on it but so much as clicking in a star button is burdensome? Come on! I don't. Something I use depends on something depends on something... Depends on it, and I might not even agree with the dependency. I'm not rewarding something because of someone else's decision to use it. >Then the author's don't want you to use their project, so fork it or move on. At that point yes, I move on. >This isn't about you…

> I don't. Something I use depends on something depends on something... Depends on it, and I might not even agree with the dependency. I'm not rewarding something because of someone else's decision to use it.

That's your problem, this project is not responsible for your dependency on it with or without your choice!

> Someone requests an action of me and people are confused by my response. So yes, it is about me. I can and do just say "no" and move on, but if people want me to clarify I will.

Ok, so long as we agree it is their right to require arbitrary things as is yours to ditch them.

> Well they just made me a part of it

In the same way every human is a part of it? I don't follow.

> A lack of a star is not a downvote. And I'm very glad you can't downvote a repo.

No kidding. HN'ers are downvoting on the issue if you care to click on the link of the post and see.

I don't care about your inaction, I care about the negative entitled jerk sentiment on this thread!

Re: No star, No fix

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Post by _8j50 »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #74
_8j50 wrote: post #58

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Don't you have to get like 500 karma before you can up/down vote on HN? Not far off right?

> Can I ask people to upvote my submission? > No. Users should röstning for a story because they personally find it intellectually interesting, not because someone has content to promote. We penalize or ban submissions, accounts, and sites that break this rule, so please don't. 500 karma requirement is for downvoting, an anti-abuse measure, site-wide, not restricted by any other means. You don't need to upvote the su…

> 500 karma requirement is for downvoting, an anti-abuse measure

Yeah, right. And a star is anti-troll measure because they have to spend time reviewing the code for security issues or just validity, it's a minor reward for someone's time.

> So no, that's far off

I disagree, forced participation to be allowed to do something in both cases, except HN isn't reviewing my upvote unlike PRs.

> This behaviour is a clear as day extortion scheme yet you are aggressively defend it, which begs the question - why? Do you profit from similar schemes?

You are so entitled and being mean! What could one possible gain from a f*cking star? Even if they can gain from it so what? What do you lose?

What a mean attitude! Someone gains, you lose nothing and that is extortion in your entitled mind. Stop using open source software if you don't understand that you're not entitled to support you don't pay for and not every open source author will have the same rules and values as your those in your familiar bubble.

Re: No star, No fix

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Post by _8j50 »

eviks wrote: post #66
_8j50 wrote: post #57

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I thought it was obvious. Not all projects get stars, the ones people use and like the most get more support in form of contribution which could be issues and pr's or other types of support. For people who don't care abour stars it means nothing, for those who do it means everything.

It's not obvious since it's false, you've just ignored the core point "if all projects simply demand more stars and get them" that pointed to the flaw in your logic. Also no, people are not binary state machines with either "means nothing" or "means everything" states

It's not a core point, I thought you were reasonable here lol. In no site with upvotes do all users get upvotes so your assumption there is wrong which I already clarified by telling you how projects people like that solve more issues get more stars. Stars have a count.

I did not claim human beings are binary state machines. If you refuse to interpret my statements in good faith and in context then you don't want a discussion, you just want to feel right.

Re: No star, No fix

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Post by miki123211 »

anilakar wrote: post #72
junon wrote: post #21

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That's clearly not the spirit of the T&C's of GitHub.

Seeing that both the devs and target audience are in mainland China, they're used to rules and regulations being more like suggestions anyway.

If communist China is anything like communist Europe used to be, finding clever ways to overcome the rules or use them to your advantage is almost a sport, and definitely not considered immoral or unethical by most.
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