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Could we stop Yellowstone from erupting with a geothermal power plant?

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Re: Could we stop Yellowstone from erupting with a geothermal power plant?

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According to https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/archive/2021/ the average retail price for California was 20..

sounds great but anyone living downtown is paying over $0.50/kWh

Hm? I live in SF and it's considerably below that on average? https://www.bls.gov/regions/west/news-release/averageenergyp... says the area averages ~0.35$

Re: Could we stop Yellowstone from erupting with a geothermal power plant?

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I don't have a sense of the scale you are talking, but I would love to see more megaprojects. Truly mega. When we aren't getting in our own way, humans do some pretty awesome stuff.

Have you heard of The Line? It's going to be a 500m high, 200m wide, 170 km long linear city / megastructure housing 9 million people; real science fiction stuff, but construction is underway with phase 1 ready by 2030: https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/theline

Unfortunately, yes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33146820

Re: Could we stop Yellowstone from erupting with a geothermal power plant?

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Depends. Because transmission lines usually cross over private property. And that can get very, very complicated. (Unless of course you are a fan of the chinese modell and want to implement that - but even they fear people revolting over unpopular big decisions)

Does US not have compulsory purchase process for infrastructure projects? Here in UK if there is a need to run transmision lines or whatever, the government will just compulsory purchase the land needed, you will be paid the market price for the land but you have to sell it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain

Re: Could we stop Yellowstone from erupting with a geothermal power plant?

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"Regardless of the specifics of the details, in the abstract, such a scheme is in some sense, possible. How should we consider it? On the one hand, building a huge geothermal power station at Yellowstone would generate a large amount of (potentially cheap) electric power while simultaneously reducing a catastrophic risk. " "On the other hand, in many ways Yellowstone is a particularly bad place to try to build such a…

I don't even see why you'd need transmission lines. Just use the enormous quantity of free energy for direct carbon capture, at that site.

Whilst we're increasing our CO2 output as a whole still for a good few more years we're going to go for a industrial open air carbon capture?

I wonder when people are going to realise it'll never ever make more sense to filter co2 out of the air at 400-500ppm to deposit deep underground like that compared to not pumping it up and emitting it in the first place. It's always going to be vastly more difficult and a big net loss in the end.

All the carbon capture projects like that are funded in large part by the fossil fuel industries as a cover to reduce the pressure on their backs. Not as something they believe will work long term.

The ones that do make more sense at first glance like the recent increase in direct capture in the US started to get more subsidised by the previous administration but not to benefit the environment however but to reduce the cost of CO2 for enhanced oil recovery. Because without there wasn't even enough incentive to do it right at major carbon sources when there was an industry willing to pay for the CO2.

Re: Could we stop Yellowstone from erupting with a geothermal power plant?

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Plus you’d take a great step towards solving our energy problems.

We'll except the fact that deep geothermal plants are completely theoretic as a means of production - the final cost of power is a big ???. Most people want cheap power. Anything over around 20 cents a kWh makes it uncompetitive to fossile equivalents (e.g. wood / oil / gas heating).

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Re: Could we stop Yellowstone from erupting with a geothermal power plant?

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Plus you’d take a great step towards solving our energy problems.

We'll except the fact that deep geothermal plants are completely theoretic as a means of production - the final cost of power is a big ???. Most people want cheap power. Anything over around 20 cents a kWh makes it uncompetitive to fossile equivalents (e.g. wood / oil / gas heating).

This is more like insurance. If you move to the mountains, you have to pay for special fire insurance because mountains have forest fires.

The U.S. is an extremely productive economy with at least one enormous cyclical natural catastrophe attached to it. If this natural catastrophe is preventable, and the costs of prevention are outweighed by the costs of losing the US economy, then it's probably worth doing.

I just assumed that it was one of those things that isn't economically or technically feasible.

Re: Could we stop Yellowstone from erupting with a geothermal power plant?

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I suspect the SCALE required to ease the pressures would be absurd. Warhammer 40k sort of absurd. Having said that, It should be considered to take advantages of clean energy.

I don't have a sense of the scale you are talking, but I would love to see more megaprojects. Truly mega. When we aren't getting in our own way, humans do some pretty awesome stuff.

I like a mega challenge that is manageable because everyone can do their tiny part. Like the Justdiggit project [0], on a mission to regreening Africa and cooling down the planet. All one needs is a shovel and knowledge how to dig shallow holes with a ridge to avoid rainwaters flushing furtile topsoil away, and store water for plants to grow in the dry season.

[0] https://justdiggit.org/

Re: Could we stop Yellowstone from erupting with a geothermal power plant?

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tl;dr -- likely yes, by building geothermal power plants. This would cost billions (not trillions) of dollars. It would generate a fair bit of power, but not an extraordinary amount. They would run for (depending on how many we build) anywhere from a thousand to a hundred thousand years.

And if we're not careful there's a slight chance we could trigger an eruption instead of preventing one.

Re: Could we stop Yellowstone from erupting with a geothermal power plant?

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Probably could. I doubt the US has the ability to do it. CA can't even finish the bart and they can't even finish the high speed rail. Huge infra structure projects like this are no longer feasible in terms of cost and political/collective will in the US. It's almost a 99% guarantee this will never get built ever. At least not by the US. Any time you see speculative stuff about big projects in the US that aren't rela…

How exactly do you "finish the Bart"? It's not a perfect system, but there are stations and trains and they run and people (including me) use it to get around.

The goal is to ring it around the bay. They've been failing to do this for decades. You'll probably be dead before they finish that.
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