All of Google is a failed experiment. It's only a question of time.
When Google Fiber abandons your city as a failed experiment (2019)
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Re: When Google Fiber abandons your city as a failed experiment (2019)
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Openreach offer 2 SLA's to ISP's, a cheap one and one that gets service. Sky, Voda and BT buy the better SLA. I have worked in these organisations and I can tell you Openreach really doesn't give a flyin f about BT Retail/EE above and beyond the customer relationship that they have with Sky or Voda. They do care less about the smaller ISP's because they spend much less with them and don't have the bosses phone number…
> both Sky and BT invested a lot of money in being able to resolve copper faults so have a good capability to both identify what's needed and get appropriate action from Openreach, I don't think anyone else does. Bullshit. I had Zen, and we had identified exactly what the issue was quite quickly. > the Openreach infrastructure really is separately managed. BT Consumer is just another ISP now. Then split it off. BT ca…
Best get lobbying for that then!
Good luck friend.
Re: When Google Fiber abandons your city as a failed experiment (2019)
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
the state of Tennessee effectively has banned [still cat-and-mouse] other cities from implementing Chattanooga's beloved solution It's bleakly hilarious that politicians of a certain stripe fall over themselves to pass laws against policies that deliver value to the public.
Can I make a health insurance company that only insures healthy people?
Isn’t that what we essentially have? Private insurance only covers healthy people, adults healthy enough to work. The rest is punted to Medicare (old and sick) or Medicaid (poor, jiblessand young that are too sick)
Re: When Google Fiber abandons your city as a failed experiment (2019)
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can I make a health insurance company that only insures healthy people?
Isn’t that what we essentially have? Private insurance only covers healthy people, adults healthy enough to work. The rest is punted to Medicare (old and sick) or Medicaid (poor, jiblessand young that are too sick)
Although I am still "healthy enough to work," having no dependents allows me to an optimal loner healthcare strategy: just don't apply/carry health insurance (tyl: 50% of US healthcare is paid for by government funded sources — just single-payer it [for all!] already!).
Instead I am a cash-paying blue-collar degenerate. It works for me because I am too damn stubborn to give even cents to the disgrace we Americants call "public healthcare" — and with no children/wife to support, I can be as wreckless as society damnwell chooses for me to behave.
"Acting rationally in an irrational environment IS IRRATIONAL."
Re: When Google Fiber abandons your city as a failed experiment (2019)
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Free market proponents don’t want the government competing with industry. It’s not that surprising
If the government can provide a better and cheaper service, what exactly is the problem? The free market will decide if the government's competition makes sense.
The problem is ideological.
Re: When Google Fiber abandons your city as a failed experiment (2019)
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Free market proponents don’t want the government competing with industry. It’s not that surprising
If the government can provide a better and cheaper service, what exactly is the problem? The free market will decide if the government's competition makes sense.
>what exactly is the problem?
"Privatize profits
"Socialize losses"
—Reagan, probably.
Re: When Google Fiber abandons your city as a failed experiment (2019)
#97Summary: Google tried to "nano"-trench Louisville, KY using 2" deep trenches (by comparison micro-trenching is typically 6" deep) then use epoxy to cover the trench. The epoxy didn't stand up to tires. Google tried to replace the epoxy with asphalt but that damaged the fiber. Google determined at that point that nano-trenching wouldn't work and didn't want to spend additional money to remedy the situation, so they ab…
This is the SAME situation here in PHX. Google made Cox / Centurylink get off their collective arses.
Re: When Google Fiber abandons your city as a failed experiment (2019)
#98Summary: Google tried to "nano"-trench Louisville, KY using 2" deep trenches (by comparison micro-trenching is typically 6" deep) then use epoxy to cover the trench. The epoxy didn't stand up to tires. Google tried to replace the epoxy with asphalt but that damaged the fiber. Google determined at that point that nano-trenching wouldn't work and didn't want to spend additional money to remedy the situation, so they ab…
I'm not in the US, but in my country the fibre-provider and the ISP are unrelated companies. There are multiple fibre companies (typically an area is served by one or another of them although my area has two) and of course a couple dozen ISPs that do the ISP part. This model works -really- well. ISPs compete on price, and service. Fibre folks do the physical stuff. Fibre companies are incentivised to get rolled out i…
> It's one of those (rare?) cases where good regulation, and a free market collide
Free markets can’t exist without regulation. Otherwise, literal warlords take over, and if not that, monopolies and oligopolies and anticompetitive behaviour and externalities
Re: When Google Fiber abandons your city as a failed experiment (2019)
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
the state of Tennessee effectively has banned [still cat-and-mouse] other cities from implementing Chattanooga's beloved solution It's bleakly hilarious that politicians of a certain stripe fall over themselves to pass laws against policies that deliver value to the public.
Can I make a health insurance company that only insures healthy people?
Excluding pre-existing conditions sort of does that.
Re: When Google Fiber abandons your city as a failed experiment (2019)
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
People go with Google Fiber because it's a better product: speeds are faster and prices are lower. Literally every single person I know who has Google Fiber is a huge fan. "For another, Google has a ridiculous reputation for customer service." Uhh, yeah, because Comcast and AT&T are famous for their stellar customer service. Give it a rest, man. I get annoyed as much as anyone with Google's "shiny object" penchants,…
> I get annoyed as much as anyone with Google's "shiny object" penchants, but this isn't one of those cases. The article is literally about them abandoning it in a given city because an idea that doesn't pass the sniff test worked out terribly. This is very much Google abandoning a shiny object just because.
"This isn't one of those areas" wasn't referring to Google yet again abandoning a shiny object, it was referring to me getting annoyed about them doing it.
Look, we all know, Google abandoning shit is a meme at this point. But there are literally no downsides to the consumer of going with the better product of Google Fiber even if they do abandon it. It's like you and other people want to be mad at Google just because at this point.