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Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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what makes you think so?

The United States is this limited government, with strict limits on what it's allowed to do. Yeah, I know. It hasn't worked out that way. But do you think other governments, starting with fewer restraints, are doing less than the US? Or more? I could see saying that the US is doing it in higher volume, because it's got more money to spend on government excess.

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Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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what makes you think so?

The United States is this limited government, with strict limits on what it's allowed to do. Yeah, I know. It hasn't worked out that way. But do you think other governments, starting with fewer restraints, are doing less than the US? Or more? I could see saying that the US is doing it in higher volume, because it's got more money to spend on government excess.

That makes me think of something I saw on HN yesterday [0] where the author was saying that a private right of action to sue in the courts was an important part of offloading power away from the US government proper.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38480187

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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it is absolutely amazing that this plus the "military facilities being mapped via Strava data" etc never lead to a serious discussion about privacy in general in the US. why does the government allow this commercial database to exist at all?

The government allows commercial spying to exist so they can buy the data. They would have all sort of legal hurdles collecting this data themselves, but they don't have to bother with it when the corporations collecting it are doing the dirty work for them.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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They can use the cops against you. Ask Kim Dotcom (whatever else you think of him).

That wouldn't happen without power delegated from the government. We leave capitalism and free enterprise behind when that happens, yet still insist on using the same terms to label the consequences. See also patent trolls, predatory DRM and copyright enforcement, and (often) the creation and maintenance of harmful monopolies.

Capitalism has always been a creature of the state. Kings gave licenses to private individuals to invest, operate, and run public companies. Nowadays it’s more complex but the first step to create any public company is still to apply for a license. Power and money have always flown both ways. I suggest you look into the Muscovy Company. Created in 1555 as the first joint stock company, it was highly influential politically and relied on its political connections to earn profits. Nothing has changed in this regard for corporations since.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Update, actually NSA is a confirmed customer. https://techcrunch.com/2015/01/11/leaked-palantir-doc-reveal... The company's name is derived from The Lord of the Rings where the magical palantíri were "seeing-stones," described as indestructible balls of crystal used for communication and to see events in other parts of the world

The INSANE thing to me about naming your company Palantir after the artifact from Middle Earth is the story behind the seeing stones. By the Third Age - when the events of the Lord of the Rings take place - several of the Palantiri (plural) are lost. The danger of using the stones was twofold: 1) not all the stones were accounted for, you couldn’t know who was listening in and 2) Sauron had one of the stones. A dark…

Ok, I read your post and though "no way, there has to be an Icarus Airlines out there"... And well, I could find 2:

https://airlinehistory.co.uk/airline/icarus-airlines/

> Icarus Airlines, known as Greece’s first airline, was formed in 1930 but went bankrupt within months

That history seems fitting. And this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icaro_Air

> Icaro Air was an airline based in Quito, Ecuador. Its main base was Mariscal Sucre International Airport, Quito.

That one operated for 4 decades.

If large space transporters ever become popular, there's no way there won't be a few named Titanic. People like those names, and the context doesn't hit as quickly as the awe.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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what makes you think so?

The United States is this limited government, with strict limits on what it's allowed to do. Yeah, I know. It hasn't worked out that way. But do you think other governments, starting with fewer restraints, are doing less than the US? Or more? I could see saying that the US is doing it in higher volume, because it's got more money to spend on government excess.

In this case, I don't believe the NSA actually broke the law. They purchased data that was on the open market. You don't need a court order to collect data when it's *that* convenient.

The buried lede here is: why is it legal to resell that data in the first place. (Hint: because it makes Intelligence Community's job 100x easier). This ultimatum for answers is simply theatre.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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The INSANE thing to me about naming your company Palantir after the artifact from Middle Earth is the story behind the seeing stones. By the Third Age - when the events of the Lord of the Rings take place - several of the Palantiri (plural) are lost. The danger of using the stones was twofold: 1) not all the stones were accounted for, you couldn’t know who was listening in and 2) Sauron had one of the stones. A dark…

This is just a nerdy reference to the activity of gathering intelligence. > But again, to me this shows the danger of making decisions based on spying technology. Having more information is rarely a bad thing for making decisions. So that was probably not the point.

If your enemy (and the US seems to place absolutely everyone on this category nowadays) has the power to insert information at will into your spying device, it will always be much, much worse than useless.
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