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Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

> It did take a _lot_ of effort to migrating my existing data to the docker container

Or you could just use some external storage. Like SMB or something. And then you would learn what updates aren't 'a breeze'. And there is no built-in SMB support in the default container.

Since I'm running it since OwnCloud days too, I have an opinion on it and it's Not. Good.

Desktop client for Windows is miserable and sucks:

a) you have something with a name longer than 30 symbols? You know need to guess what the full path of that file in the error log

b) this is like 4th year when you have an option to see the errors in a separate window, except it's... empty. Not an empty error log, it' empty window

c) Oh, best part: if the client decided to update it would kill your Explorer first (like -9), install the it's shit and then... force reboot your machine without any questions

d) when you click on the client icon in the notification area it shows multiple icons what you would thing would do something. Except it's just opens the web-interface of the instance

For years mobile client couldn't work properly with a self-signed certs, which is quite ludicrous for a solution boasted as the pinnacle of self-hosting.

UI overall is shit, it's a legacy of early 2010 concepts with Googlisation on every not needed aspect. And just outright stupid ideas, which 2.5 developers at NextCloud couldn't test, like littering EVERY (sorry for caps) folder you navigate through the web interface with README.md. And shitting bricks on non case sensitive mounts, because yes, it's hard.

Server side is always running to pump out new versions, while abandoning and deprecating addons. Oh, addon you are using is now deprecated, besides being made a mere year ago? Tough luck. Stay on the supported NC version. Except it's not supported anymore because it's a year old now version.

Oh, since 2016 it's no longer a file syncing solution, it's collaboration software or even groupware. That means there are now office suite, chat, contact lists and whatever else, including an email client. This also explains why did NC 'bought' RC. Except all those parts are not integrated good.

And finally it's a PHP app with a tons of legacy code. As soon as something breaks you are drowning in multiple screen heights of errors of PHP code. And consequently all performance troubles are solved by throwing RAM and CPU at the instance.

/rant

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Meanwhile on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/186g3ak/ownclou... What are the odds, a positive article relating to Nextcloud posted on HN the same day a negative article is posted about Owncloud on Reddit.

Good job Nextcloud marketing team. Probably just pushed up the announcement

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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post #76

I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

> if you're using the docker image, upgrades are a breeze. Just bump the tag on the image, redeploy, and you're done.

Or you could just run Watchtower beside it and it will automatically update your docker containers. https://github.com/containrrr/watchtower If you are OK with automated updates.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could also back up to something like AWS Glacier. The cheapest tier (access less than once a year) is $1/TB/month. Maybe if you kept thumbnails locally, you could push all the data up and only pull it as and when you needed it.

Have fun paying a fortune if you need to get those files again.

For "expedited" retrieval it is $0.01 per request plus $0.03 per GB. Doesn't seem like a fortune. And there are retrieval options for 1/10th the cost.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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post #76

I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

> if you're using the docker image, upgrades are a breeze. Just bump the tag on the image, redeploy, and you're done. Or you could just run Watchtower beside it and it will automatically update your docker containers. https://github.com/containrrr/watchtower If you are OK with automated updates.

Or you could just use the snap, and you don't need to do anything :)

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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What I would like to have is a small Nextcloud installation (max. 200MB, preferably even smaller) that I can host on a ultra-cheap tiny server. I just need file sync, calendar and contacts. The total size of the synced files isn't much either. Nextcloud used to be small enough for this, but they kept adding things, bundling word processors and other stuff I don't need, meanwhile making the contacts and calendar optio…

What is an ultra-cheap tiny server? Maybe a CX21 (6.37 €/mth) at https://www.hetzner.com/de/cloud would fit. There are Docker images and you only need to install the NextCloud AIO. Super simple. Upgrade is also simple (we only did it once and it went through perfectly). Syncthing is nice but file-sync-only.

I'd skip the server! Hetzners Storage Share gives you NextCloud with admin privileges: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share

This is what I'm using these days.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Comments here seem to suggest that Nextcloud isn't worth it. Later today I'm supposed to talk with some folks at IT looking for an in-house file-sharing/collaboration tool that Dropbox/GoogleDrive is (or was, because after GoogleDrive price hikes our institution ditched them). I was going to suggest Nextcloud as a possible option to investigate...

There is no FOSS file sharing solution that gets close to being as usable, especially for sharing, as dropbox/drive.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Speaking of Roundcube: If you're hosting it without apache (as in: without htaccess support), make sure the logs directory and files aren't exposed publicly. They can contain access tokens and even encrypted passwords (encrypted with a default password unless manually changed during installation), and follow a known file structure, so it's quite common for people to get owned this way.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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post #71

What I would like to have is a small Nextcloud installation (max. 200MB, preferably even smaller) that I can host on a ultra-cheap tiny server. I just need file sync, calendar and contacts. The total size of the synced files isn't much either. Nextcloud used to be small enough for this, but they kept adding things, bundling word processors and other stuff I don't need, meanwhile making the contacts and calendar optio…

For calendars and contacts you can try Radicale if you don't need web access: https://radicale.org/v3.html

you can drop infCloud on top of any caldav/cardav to get a UI. I've been using it with radical for a while.
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