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Charlie Munger – Feeling Like a Victim Is Perfectly Disastrous

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Re: Charlie Munger – Feeling Like a Victim Is Perfectly Disastrous

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He is sharing what worked for him. Sorry it does not conform to your world view.

It's not my world view. I prefer to listen to professionals.

> professionals

On what human psychology? Name any random opinion, I'll find you a professional who supports it? It's not a field (unless you're dealing with individuals and their specific issues) where being a "professional" matters much...

Re: Charlie Munger – Feeling Like a Victim Is Perfectly Disastrous

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I have great respect for Charlie (RIP), but there isn't much insight here.

The crux of the article is that self-pity is never useful, but it then presupposes that accepting personal responsibility is always useful. Personal responsibility is not the only way to ameliorate the great problems of our life. In fact, for the majority of human history, the idea of pivoting away from self pity from sheer force of will without the help of family and tribe would seem impossible.

Instead of naivly rejecting self pity, I would like a analytical approach to question like

How do we improve our ability to reject self pity? What is the role of social capital in self pity rates? What sociocultural issues have the greatest impact on endowing a sense of self pity? How has self pity been useful for building political movements?

Re: Charlie Munger – Feeling Like a Victim Is Perfectly Disastrous

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Yeah. "He wouldn't have hit me if I had just kept my mouth shut, I know how angry it makes him when I ask about money." I want to say this position is despicable, but that's not a very charitable reading. But I fail to see how 'making everything your own fault' is in any way a healthy mechanism for dealing with others. Other people DO make mistakes. Other people have loads that they ARE expected to carry. Other peopl…

Personally, I don't make bad things my own fault. But I consider them my responsibility to fix.

> "I don't make bad things my own fault. But I consider them my responsibility to fix."

^^^ This! It's only your fault if it's actually your fault - If the blame genuinely lies with someone else, there's nothing left to do but take actions to a) fix it, and b) ensure that it never happens again. Can't rely on others to fix things, because the fact is that most people simply won't even try.

Re: Charlie Munger – Feeling Like a Victim Is Perfectly Disastrous

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Enjoying the occasional Coca Cola but not overindulging is perfectly consistent correct behaviour within those constraints

but not if Coca Cola's continuing growth depends on their ensuring that many many people are drinking it to excess

Not sure the math even comes out obviously in favour of someone who overindulges but dies an early death, vs someone who lives long and enjoys a coke every so often throughout that long life.

Re: Charlie Munger – Feeling Like a Victim Is Perfectly Disastrous

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My mother passed away from cancer when I was 11. Originally when she learned she was terminal, she thought it might be a good idea for me to attend support sessions with the school counselor. Unfortunately in this case, the counselor wasn’t that great at their job, and I came home from school talking about how I was “anxious” and “depressed”—words I had never used before. My mother pulled me out of counseling and told my father, “I didn’t put him in there to feel sorry for himself about the situation.”

She also told my sister and I before she passed to never use her death as an excuse to go through life miserable and sad—there were too many things to be happy about and we should give life purpose.

So I agree with the gist of Charlie’s idea of acting like you aren’t a victim even if you do happen to be one.

That said... I also think that due to either genetic predisposition or extreme environmental factors, there are rare cases where trying to take a positive attitude does not help and can in fact make things worse. Trying to use sheer force of will to “power through” certain situations may lead one to ignore other options (medication for example) and the build-up of a series of continuous failures to “think positively” may result in even worse outcomes where erratic or irreversible decisions are made during an irrational state of mind. I’m not suggesting self-pity, but rather the recognition that there are just some situations you can’t put a positive spin on and it is probably better not to try.

Re: Charlie Munger – Feeling Like a Victim Is Perfectly Disastrous

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Somewhat the height of survivorship bias. There are a many number of people that don't adopt a victim mentality, work hard, and try to get ahead and just don't. For every Charlie Munger there are tons of working poor that get up everyday, work hard for minimum wage, then go off to their second job. My entire childhood I watched both my parents, who both had 2 jobs, work themselves non-stop to try to provide for us. T…

>They didn't drink or do drugs or consider themselves victims, and it didn't help one bit.

Are you saying that your family would have been the same had your parents done drugs or considered themselves victims?

If so, why do you think that? Seems like a very bold claim. If not, what are you actually saying?

Re: Charlie Munger – Feeling Like a Victim Is Perfectly Disastrous

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Enjoying the occasional Coca Cola but not overindulging is perfectly consistent correct behaviour within those constraints

but not if Coca Cola's continuing growth depends on their ensuring that many many people are drinking it to excess

Imagine being an exec at coca cola.

All your product development is done. You already got it right.

Now your only goal is coca cola displacing a greater and greater quantity of the substances humans put in their bodies.

Every quarter you want that percentage to go up. Maybe public water infrastructure should be looked upon as a competitor.

You think about the future and see vague stormclouds- vitamin supplementation can keep our consumers active a bit longer after the product displaces all sources of nutrition, but there is an absolute limit to how much matter a human can ingest over a given 24h period.

Perhaps a campaign to de-stigmatize public urination. Or maybe theres a way to grow the population…

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