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Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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At this point in time I just want to see what happens to a corp if they reduce their headcount by 95% in 2 weeks. Fascinating experiment.

Elon on standby to reduce twitter by 96%

This whole situation can be neatly summed up as the OpenAI board saying "Hey Elon, hold my beer!"

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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imagine you are Mira. you are told Thursday they will fire Sam. You would think she would at a minimum ask why. Let's assume she does that. Then they give the two reasons Ilya did.

What normal non-self serving human would even go along with the plan at that point? Now she realizes she must bail to hitch a ride back on her Sam gravy train. She is major sus here.

Any non greed ego driven person would have told the board they would not accept the intern-CEO title and would resign if they fired Sam for those two reasons (or any apparenlty now in hindsight).

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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You gotta wonder if they really need all those people… would be a genius way to get attrition numbers up without paying severance. Man this entire thing is so overblown. Who cares if a ceo was fired all the “””tech influencer””” wannabes are just hyping up this story for views.

I do wonder what exactly almost 800 people do at OpenAI. Some approximate breakdown by job function would be very interesting.

Yeah I think anyone on HN could write that website in a weekend. With uncensored GPT-4 you wouldn't need more than 10 people on staff and most of those would just be there to fix the printer.

Edit: I thought this would obviously be satire. Guess not..

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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imagine you are Mira. you are told Thursday they will fire Sam. You would think she would at a minimum ask why. Let's assume she does that. Then they give the two reasons Ilya did. What normal non-self serving human would even go along with the plan at that point? Now she realizes she must bail to hitch a ride back on her Sam gravy train. She is major sus here. Any non greed ego driven person would have told the boar…

Or...you call Sama and say "hey just an FYI, they asked me to be CEO and I said yes. I have no idea what's going on, and I'm loyal so keep me in the loop if we're going to leave or something".

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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If Altman ends up going back to OpenAI, then shouldn't Sutskever be fired/kicked off the board too?

They may retain him, but his time of being on the board or any board is at an end.

The rest of the board. My god. Why were they there?

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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>Sustkever is said to have offered two explanations he purportedly received from the board He received from the board? Here we go again with the narrative that Ilya was a bystander, at most an unwilling participant. He was a member of the board, on equal footing with the other board members, and his vote to oust Sam was necessary for there to be a majority.

Yeah, that narrative doesn't sync with the prior paragraph...

> chief scientist and co-founder Sutskever, who helped vote Altman out and did the actual firing of him over Google Meet

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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>Sustkever is said to have offered two explanations he purportedly received from the board He received from the board? Here we go again with the narrative that Ilya was a bystander, at most an unwilling participant. He was a member of the board, on equal footing with the other board members, and his vote to oust Sam was necessary for there to be a majority.

It turns out the AGI was a board member.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Baseless prediction:

MSFT buys ownership of OpenAI's for/capped-profit entities, implements a more typical corporate governance structure, re-instates Altman and Brockman.

OpenAI non-profit continues to exist with a few staff and no IP but billions in cash.

This whole situation is being used to drive the price down to reduce the amount the OpenAI non-profit is left with.

SV don't try the "capped-profit owned by a non-profit" model again for quite some time.

Maybe Altman takes some equity in the new entity.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Most individuals aren't essential, and no one would prioritize them. However, a company is successful due to the individuals that work within. When 700 out of 770 employees in quite frankly the hottest startup in the world band together and threaten to leave (and join Microsoft) if they aren't given an appropriate explanation, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks an employer owes an employee. Implying otherwise is ab…

do you believe they will be fine if nobody leaves? can this be business as usual moving forward? also if I learned anything over the years is that "threatening to quit" != "quitting".

> "threatening to quit" != "quitting"

Maybe, but being told they can freely jump ship to the new team at Microsoft, alongside the fact that their upcoming shares are most definitely going to lose most of their value as a result of losing key talent and pissing off their main compute provider certainly sweeten the deal

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