The real winner in all this is once again Tim Cook, the only tech CEO to not constantly flail around dripping in flop sweat chasing the buzzword du jour.
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd have agreed with you if it was an extensive board with many experts, both technical and policy, without any strong conflict of interests. But at this point, we have Ilya who clearly has strong difference of opinions with Sam, Adam D'Angelo, whose company Poe has a conflict of interest with the existance of for profit OpenAI and their GPT store/customizable agents, and two other board members.
Are you for real? "Difference of opinions" isn't a problem for a board, it's exactly why multiple people are on one. And Adam will not have any conflict of interest with Poe very shortly.
It is a problem when you pretty much fired two board members who would've been against Ilyas opinion.
Maybe Adam will not have any conflict in a few months, but he does now. He did when he and others got rid of Greg and Sam from the board. That's my point.
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#93Crazy how a 4 person board staved off pressure from a behemoth like Microsoft
It will be funny if MSFT relicense GPT4 to Sam's new venture, I am very much looking forward to this development.
I'm pretty sure only OpenAI (the non-profit) holds the IP. I don't see why they'd give Microsoft a transferable license.
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#94I still cannot process what’s happened to one of the most prominent and hyped companies of the past year in just one weekend. If it’s true that Altman won’t return to OpenAI (or alternatively: that the current board won’t step down) then where does that leave OpenAI? Microsoft can’t be happy, as evidenced by reporting that Nadella was acting as mediator to bring him back. Does OpenAI survive this? Will be super inter…
> No idea what the future holds for any of the players here. Reality truly is stranger than fiction.
Is it though? "No outcome where [OpenAI] is one of the big five technology companies. My hope is that we can do a lot more good for the world than just become another corporation that gets that big." -Adam D'Angelo
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#95This is more bizarre than an episode of silicon valley. Must be the happiest day for Google in the last year.
Indeed, on the Lex Fridman podcast, Musk said it was a very tough recruiting battle for Ilya. Now it looks like they have a shot at getting him back.
I think Ilya is getting what he wanted. Although, that may yet have disastrous consequences for the company if employees follow through on mass quitting, thus freeing him up. But if they can quickly prevent people leaving in the short term, maybe urgent discontent will pass.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually this is going to be great for Microsoft. By cutting its other revenue streams OpenAI has lost all of its leverage. So now will shrink to being effectively an external dev team for Bing / Windows.
No, it will switch to being something like Micorsoft Cambridge. AKA only for R&D
Very true. And to be fair Microsoft does have a great reputation for research.
It really is a massive change in direction and a lost opportunity to set their own course.
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#97Not a word from Ilya. I can’t wrap my mind around his motivation. Did he really fire Sam over “AI safety” concerns? How is that remotely rational.
Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down
#98The real winner in all this is once again Tim Cook, the only tech CEO to not constantly flail around dripping in flop sweat chasing the buzzword du jour.
I know it's small potatoes but those other CEOs have added hundreds of millions of dollars in ARR to their bottom lines on AI, in particular open ai. Microsoft doesn't think you're a real product line til a billion plus ARR but still, it's not nothing.
I think it's still pretty early to know how lasting these ARRs are. We are still early on the hype cycle here. Chat based language models have definitely found good uses, so I don't think we'll ever see them go away, but I'm just cautious about how much net revenue these will really generate (particularly when the expense of the cards needed to train/run them is so high).
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#99I’m glad people in this thread are supporting the OpenAI board in this decision. There seems to be too much celebrity worship around Altman from all the tech/crypto bros. Also, any new competition started by Altman would be good for the ecosystem in general.
On one hand, I worry that it doesn't represent anything more than following the herd. For a long time, and not long ago, the herd followed people like Musk, Bankman-Fried, etc., and other cults of personality. I think a lot had to do with Trump - even people who say they hated him have followed his model (he was the President, after all) of behavior, business, and personal character, even non-famous people I know personally.
As best I can say regarding such a broad, poorly defined topic: Due to the brazen, distasteful, dangerous megalomania and seeing real consequences at Twitter and FTX, and others (Theranos, etc.), that brazen megalomania seems to have re-acquired the bad reputation that common sense has eternally given it, in every place and time.
Obviously, it's a ridiculous, self-destructive, dangerous idea. Whatever the cause, I'm glad people seem to be regaining their senses - but will they do it quickly and completely enough, will they be manipulated into blaming someone else (a massive risk in the post-truth world that accepts dis/misinformation), and will the megalomaniacs retain their attitudes and power, and then use it to suppress others.
Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down
#100I find it kind of funny that Altman got into this kind of trouble when presumably he is an expert on startup structure after having advised startups for so many years at YC.