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Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by xstthr »

pc wrote: post #71
amacneil wrote: post #58

Since there is so much negativity in this thread, let me balance it with my take as someone who worked at Cruise for 5 years (left 3 years ago). Kyle is the smartest, most technically capable, driven person I have ever had the opportunity to work for. He had a deep technical understanding of the system, a great intuition for unnecessary complexity, and a constant desire to find and resolve engineering bottlenecks. An…

I knew Kyle in college. He was extremely smart, kind, patient, and friendly. (He was a few years ahead of me; I was a random Irish freshman who had just shown up.) Looking back, he's one of the people who inspired me to get into startups. While we never ended up working together, it wasn't for lack of trying on my side -- everyone said he was phenomenal, and I tried hard to persuade him to join Stripe in the early da…

Do you think the Kyles of today would join or excel in the politics at Stripe today?

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by Exoristos »

amacneil wrote: post #58

Since there is so much negativity in this thread, let me balance it with my take as someone who worked at Cruise for 5 years (left 3 years ago). Kyle is the smartest, most technically capable, driven person I have ever had the opportunity to work for. He had a deep technical understanding of the system, a great intuition for unnecessary complexity, and a constant desire to find and resolve engineering bottlenecks. An…

Not Windows laptops!

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by Exoristos »

mcmcmc wrote: post #89
babl-yc wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the situations similar at all. Cruise is an extremely tough spot right now after its handling of the San Francisco accident, and it's nationwide pause of testing. OpenAI has been extremely successful but is having strategic disagreements within its non-profit board.

If you’ll excuse the tinfoil hat, the OpenAI disagreement could very well stem from a dangerous accident or near miss covered up by Altman that we just haven’t learned about yet since the board didn’t publicly state how he deceived them. And that would be pretty analogous to the Cruise situation. Anyway Altman gives me the ick, serious lizard person vibes.

"OpenAI ... dangerous accident." Like what, giving a freshman wrong dates for the Garfield presidency?

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by vkou »

qgin wrote: post #87
bigyikes wrote: post #65

Everyone laughed at Tesla for their gung-ho, vision-only approach. Only Waymo and Cruise will make it, they said. Will be very interesting to see who is left standing. Maybe Tesla will never crack self-driving, but an insolvent company definitely won't either.

Very few have said Tesla isn’t good at selling cars and making a profit. They’re very good at that. I don’t think many people said Tesla would go out of business. What people said was that Tesla had made the decision to go vision-only because they wanted to start selling FSD packages 8 years ago when LiDAR was very expensive to tack onto a consumer car. Now LiDAR is much cheaper and getting cheaper by the day, but th…

> Now LiDAR is much cheaper and getting cheaper by the day, but they insist on doubling down on this strategy.

Meanwhile, as an occasional tesla passenger, I get to enjoy watching the car's representation of the surrounding traffic have artifacts, like:

1. Cars disappearing, re-appearing, and disappearing again.

2. Trucks and buses slowly drifting until they phase 'into' other cars when traffic is stopped at a streetlight.

It's a fantastic advertisement against self-driving.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by zzzcsgo »

dang wrote: post #75
Sebguer wrote: post #74

Why was the submission title changed from the much more descriptive actual article headline? I have no idea who Kyle Vogt is without the context of 'co-founder and CEO'.

Because readers can figure this kind of thing out. It's not hard.

So you go away from your own rules when it fits you... Usually you are more neutral

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by sroussey »

pc wrote: post #71
amacneil wrote: post #58

Since there is so much negativity in this thread, let me balance it with my take as someone who worked at Cruise for 5 years (left 3 years ago). Kyle is the smartest, most technically capable, driven person I have ever had the opportunity to work for. He had a deep technical understanding of the system, a great intuition for unnecessary complexity, and a constant desire to find and resolve engineering bottlenecks. An…

I knew Kyle in college. He was extremely smart, kind, patient, and friendly. (He was a few years ahead of me; I was a random Irish freshman who had just shown up.) Looking back, he's one of the people who inspired me to get into startups. While we never ended up working together, it wasn't for lack of trying on my side -- everyone said he was phenomenal, and I tried hard to persuade him to join Stripe in the early da…

In the early days at Weebly, we decided to use Stripe.

pc gave me his mobile number and answered at 3am when I was in a panic during our launch of e-commerce.

Much respect.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by jacquesm »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #59
tempsy wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hiding a video from regulators has nothing to do with faking it til you make it

It's not just hiding the video. It was mainly the content of that video. And then we had all the other leaks. That they couldn't reliably distinguish children from adults, making them (even by their overly optimistic models) more dangerous to children than humans - which is why they started operating mostly at night, when there are few children. And then it was reported they had 1.5 employees per car in operations, r…

> And then it was reported they had 1.5 employees per car in operations, requiring support every 2-5 miles. Very surprising given that they've reported a disengagement every 95,000 miles last year.

If true that alone should have disqualified them from being street legal.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by jacquesm »

vkou wrote: post #94
qgin wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very few have said Tesla isn’t good at selling cars and making a profit. They’re very good at that. I don’t think many people said Tesla would go out of business. What people said was that Tesla had made the decision to go vision-only because they wanted to start selling FSD packages 8 years ago when LiDAR was very expensive to tack onto a consumer car. Now LiDAR is much cheaper and getting cheaper by the day, but th…

> Now LiDAR is much cheaper and getting cheaper by the day, but they insist on doubling down on this strategy. Meanwhile, as an occasional tesla passenger, I get to enjoy watching the car's representation of the surrounding traffic have artifacts, like: 1. Cars disappearing, re-appearing, and disappearing again. 2. Trucks and buses slowly drifting until they phase 'into' other cars when traffic is stopped at a street…

Indeed, I've watched some of those onboard videos of the model that the self driving software generates on the fly of the road around it and compared it to what is actually out there. The discrepancies are very noticeable and make you wonder what kind of quality control they have there. Bike is there. Bike disappears. A couple of seconds later bike suddenly re-appears, but much closer than before. You can't do proper trajectory planning if your environment representation isn't accurate.

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by paul7986 »

amacneil wrote: post #58

Since there is so much negativity in this thread, let me balance it with my take as someone who worked at Cruise for 5 years (left 3 years ago). Kyle is the smartest, most technically capable, driven person I have ever had the opportunity to work for. He had a deep technical understanding of the system, a great intuition for unnecessary complexity, and a constant desire to find and resolve engineering bottlenecks. An…

Really loathed the tech bros attitude that Cruise came off I.e. trying to rapidly expand while their cars were totally not ready for prime time and showing such often in San Francisco. Trying to win the market at all costs like Uber tried which their irresponsible trying to kill it (win the market at all coss) behavior killed a pedestrian. I was afraid Cruise's similar behavior (noted many times here on HN) would prompt something similar which it did but luckily and hopefully Cruise's victim makes a full recovery.

This is not technology to ever be created and or operated with those who are tech bro minded or following tech bro mantras(i.e. fake it til u make it)! Innocent people lives are put in danger if so as we've seen with Uber and now Cruise!

Re: Kyle Vogt resigns from Cruise

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Post by sroussey »

paul7986 wrote: post #99
amacneil wrote: post #58

Since there is so much negativity in this thread, let me balance it with my take as someone who worked at Cruise for 5 years (left 3 years ago). Kyle is the smartest, most technically capable, driven person I have ever had the opportunity to work for. He had a deep technical understanding of the system, a great intuition for unnecessary complexity, and a constant desire to find and resolve engineering bottlenecks. An…

Really loathed the tech bros attitude that Cruise came off I.e. trying to rapidly expand while their cars were totally not ready for prime time and showing such often in San Francisco. Trying to win the market at all costs like Uber tried which their irresponsible trying to kill it (win the market at all coss) behavior killed a pedestrian. I was afraid Cruise's similar behavior (noted many times here on HN) would pro…

You mean the victim that got hit by a human driver that sent her flying in the air. And that human fled the scene. Hit and run.
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