Nice, so now we have OpenAI and OpenSubtitles that has 'Open' in their name and not open :)
"open" as a term has been abused for decades. anyone remember X/Open?
Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API
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Did anybody (outside of the tech/HN open-source-die-hard bubble) actually leave Reddit? From what I saw, there were protests which most Redit users barely noticed (the front-page just served content from the subreddits that didn't go private), and then there was nothing. The long-term impact seems to be small to nonexistent. Maybe if the users organized better and started posting "brand unsafe" content everywhere ins…
Hard to say without Reddit showing their traffic cards, just anecdotal evidence. Admittedly, if you're consuming big subs similar to what you'd consume on Tiktok (r/funny, r/worldnews, etc), likely little impact to traffic. I know the mods from some of the subs I follow fled (admittedly smaller readership, r/econmonitor and r/machinelearning for example). Reddit will have to show their hand when they attempt to IPO,…
Is it easy to find Lemmy mirrors? I left reddit but haven't really replaced it.
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More like Reddit. The contributors will just leave and you'll be left with a corpse of content to rip going forward. Tofu is different because of the broad contributor base around the Terraform ecosystem. Lots of people's jobs (or companies even, Spacelift for example) depend on Tofu not only existing, but improving into the future. If you have a benevolent dictator with deep pockets, throttling usage and retrieval i…
Did anybody (outside of the tech/HN open-source-die-hard bubble) actually leave Reddit? From what I saw, there were protests which most Redit users barely noticed (the front-page just served content from the subreddits that didn't go private), and then there was nothing. The long-term impact seems to be small to nonexistent. Maybe if the users organized better and started posting "brand unsafe" content everywhere ins…
For my feed, a ton of the NSFW subreddits went away, became so low quality that following them was pointless as the mods left or engagement dropped to ridiculous levels, even the OG big tankers.
r/gonewild for example has nominal 4.6 million subscribers - but among the default "hot" feed on the first page there's just four posts with > 500 karma, and on the 2nd page there's tons of posts with 80-120 karma. That's insanely low, back in ye olde days a simple boobie could easily hit 2k karma in a matter of hours, and there was pages and pages of highly upvoted content.
Now, I can't say whether this is a consequence of users leaving, mods leaving, Reddit manually downranking NSFW sub engagements, or the massive increase of ragebait redirecting attention and engagement - r/europe is filled with utterly vile comments on everything regarding immigration and Islam, r/therewasanattempt even managed to get geobanned in Germany because they put up the (banned) Hamas slogan on their banner [1].
(In the German Reddit sphere, it seems that additionally Reddit has created a ton of outright clones of popular English subs like AitA, DIY, legaladvice, ... that further remove engagement from the large subs and redirect it to the small new ones - this "pushing" of new subs likely also drives NSFW subs with low engagement down the feed)
[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/17vqch7/rtherewasan...
Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Looks like they offer a full data dump: https://dl.opensubtitles.org/addons/export/ I haven't actually tried to use it. So long as they offer a dump you could use I think it's entirely reasonable to require payment for the API. I think it's reasonable to consider them morally open even if the web UI is closed source if the subtitles are open. It feels to me like a project selling a shiny hosted app around an open sou…
That's not a full dump of subtitles, but rather of list of which subtitles they have, with download links. Here are the first lines of the `subtitles_all.txt` file: IDSubtitle MovieName MovieYear LanguageName ISO639 SubAddDate ImdbID SubFormat SubSumCD MovieReleaseName MovieFPS SeriesSeason SeriesEpisode SeriesIMDBParent MovieKind URL 1 Alien3 1992 English en 2004-10-31 23:54:23 103644 sub 2 Alien.3 11.000 0 0 0 movi…
Yeah, I was wondering if that could be the full dump. I know how far compression algorithms have come, but 318MB for all the subtitles of the world? Would be interesting to know though how large a full dump would be.
Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API
#95Am I wrong that a script is copyrighted and thus charging for it, something they have no right to distribute, opens them to all sorts of potential legal action? It’s a lot easier to look the other way when it’s free. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/04/fan-made-subtitl... (2017)
It's definitely a tricky fair use case, and obviously will depend on each country. IANAL but I'd say the main argument for it being free use is that subtitles don't take away from movie/TV sales. There's no harm. To the contrary -- fan-made subtitles in languages the studio didn't produce might generate purchases where there were none before. While the main argument against it is that it's part of and enables broader…
i don't follow that argumentation.
do you think that people who want subtitles would pay for content if there were no subtitles available for it?
subtitles either increase sales, or they do nothing. they may increase illegitimate sharing, but they won't do it at the expense of sales.
Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API
#96Holy batman the takes in this thread are pretty terrible. You can still get full data dumps, you can still use the free API but they are limited the number per period. As a heavy user of OpenSubtitles this change looks completely reasonable for such a wonderful service.
The site is down so I can't read the full post, but going off of what's been said in this thread, I generally agree w you. This doesn't stop your casual Plex user from using OpenSubtitles. Viewers all download their subtitles from their own IP, and can authenticate/pay if they want more. It does punish pirate streaming websites from taking thousands of subtitles per day while illegally publishing content.
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#97Can P2P/torrents replace this?
For distribution. Where does the content come from? Or would they just dump it all out there? One script per torrent?
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Yes you are wrong because a movie script and movie subs are not the same thing at all
In what way? The subs are the script (often translated) + timestamps. It’s the definition of a derivative work. The subs wouldn’t exist without the original work. Edit: Yes, it’s a subset of the script and not thee script itself, and being a pedant about that isn’t a useful point. It’s just pedantic.
"Script" in the movie/tv world has a specific meaning, and is very different from what the subtitles are. Subtitles are just dialog, while the script contains so much more.
Calling the subtitles "basically a script" is like saying JavaScript is basically Java.
Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's definitely a tricky fair use case, and obviously will depend on each country. IANAL but I'd say the main argument for it being free use is that subtitles don't take away from movie/TV sales. There's no harm. To the contrary -- fan-made subtitles in languages the studio didn't produce might generate purchases where there were none before. While the main argument against it is that it's part of and enables broader…
i don't follow that argumentation. do you think that people who want subtitles would pay for content if there were no subtitles available for it? subtitles either increase sales, or they do nothing. they may increase illegitimate sharing, but they won't do it at the expense of sales.
> do you think that people who want subtitles would pay for content if there were no subtitles available for it?
Pretty much. If you're Japanese and don't speak English, and a show you really want to watch is only available to pirate in English (no subtitles available) which means you can't understand it, but if you subscribe to Netflix you can watch it with Japanese subtitles that Netflix provides... I mean yeah?
I'm presenting both sides of the argument. The question is really, which side will a court find to be stronger? And there may very well be a distinction here between fan-made subtitle translations, versus official subtitles.