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Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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amarant wrote: post #49
vouaobrasil wrote: post #11

From the article: > Each participating artist has partnered with us and will have a hand in helping us test and learn to shape the future of AI in music. Let me correct that: each participating artist has been given a wad of dirty cash in return for their help in training replacements for mass music. Notice that I said "mass music" -- people will always be able to create by hand, but it's clear that the ultimate goal…

As a indie game developer, this could plausibly enable me to add decent sounding soundtrack to my games. I couldn't afford to pay a proper artist, and my musical skills are... Limited.. It _is_ just a tool, a new instrument essentially, one that is easier to play than most. People being angry that there is now a new instrument that is much easier to play than the one they spent years to learn come across as entitled…

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Post by criddell »

Almondsetat wrote: post #33

Will be great for people who have studied composition, for everyone else it will just increase exponentially the amount of garbage circulating around

Or maybe something entirely unexpected will happen. You never know what can happen when you give people creative tools.

Maybe music creation via tools like this will be like using a camera to create images. We don’t think of photographs as shitty paintings, right? It’s a different kind of thing.

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Post by jacquesm »

bambax wrote: post #52
sirwitti wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quality never was the only or even the most important aspect of popularity in music and probably art in general. So I'm not sure your projection is valid.

You're right that pure formal perfection is not the only component in art; art has to mean something. But quality has always been a very important aspect of popularity in art as well as in music (see: Renaissance sculptors & painters, Baroque and Classical composers, etc.) Great art is when a unique, profound emotion or insight is expressed with great execution. AI helps with the last part; real artists should still…

But effort itself is also a quality. The fact that a human took out a substantial fraction of their time on planet earth to create something is already a sign that at least one individual cared about the work: the creator. If art is like vomit then that initial round of validation is absent.

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Post by jillesvangurp »

stefanos82 wrote: post #61

After a lot of thinking, I have come to a conclusion that expresses me personally, so feel free to disagree if you like: The human being was not created to be deprived of the right to express his feelings through fine arts. From the moment you deprive me of the right to express myself as I feel through external as well as internal stimuli and you want to replace me with an insensitive mechanism that neither feels nor…

You are not being deprived of any rights. You just don't have them exclusively. Make music, or don't. Up to you. Either way, there will be machines also making music. So, what?

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by Almondsetat »

criddell wrote: post #92
Almondsetat wrote: post #33

Will be great for people who have studied composition, for everyone else it will just increase exponentially the amount of garbage circulating around

Or maybe something entirely unexpected will happen. You never know what can happen when you give people creative tools. Maybe music creation via tools like this will be like using a camera to create images. We don’t think of photographs as shitty paintings, right? It’s a different kind of thing.

> Maybe music creation via tools like this will be like using a camera to create images.

Yes, in the sense that most people don’t know how to take photos and they look like crap even with heavy AI retouching

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by jacquesm »

kevmo314 wrote: post #2

This article is such a stark contrast from the GraphCast AI weather model they released [1]. The latter focused so much on the tech and what it does do, whereas this article buries the tech in a bunch of fluff about what it could do. Can you imagine if the GraphCast article were like that? "Revolutionizing the future of weather". I'm sure this music thing is cool but I have no idea what was built. [1]: https://deepmi…

For now weather models are - fortunately - not generative.

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Post by hashtag-til »

mnd999 wrote: post #88
stefanos82 wrote: post #61

After a lot of thinking, I have come to a conclusion that expresses me personally, so feel free to disagree if you like: The human being was not created to be deprived of the right to express his feelings through fine arts. From the moment you deprive me of the right to express myself as I feel through external as well as internal stimuli and you want to replace me with an insensitive mechanism that neither feels nor…

Totally agree. Fuck off google.

This is becoming Reddit. Please continue.

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by ppsreejith »

Not sure I agree with the negative opinions in this thread. Surely, having an additional option to listen to the song you want to is a good thing? It's not like the choice to listen to human artists is taken away. Furthermore, a lot more people can now express themselves through music that were previously unable to.

Re: Google's advanced music generation model and two new AI experiments

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Post by jacquesm »

BoxOfRain wrote: post #39
gardenhedge wrote: post #6

Wow, AI really will democratize music creating. This is an awesome way for people to translate their ideas to music without needing to be privileged enough to get violin or guitar lessons. I see a future where we all make our own music and share it freely with family and friends. This means less listening to manufactured pop songs written by suits with the sole aim of making a profit. This will still happen of course…

>without needing to be privileged enough to get violin or guitar lessons. I'm not being funny but this is a poor take when the excellent guitarist Mdou Moctar learned on a guitar he built himself using the brake cables from a bike for strings. The guitar at least is not an inaccessible instrument.

Arguing a general case by pointing out a massive exception doesn't really work though.
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