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Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by korhojoa »

happymellon wrote: post #69
cozzyd wrote: post #68

Hopefully the EU (or, in an alternate reality, the US) will eventually force Apple to finally implement RCS messages (or, less likely, open up iMessage).

Why? No one uses RCS in the EU, who would Apple users talk to?

Arguably false. Are you trying to imply that Apple users are the only common users of messages other than text or that Apple users use third party messaging instead?

Lots of providers implement RCS, lots of people use it. Perhaps none of the people in your particular region/circle of contacts do? My contacts almost all use signal. The exceptions where there are people that don't have any third party messaging apps, they use RCS. To those people, it's "just like a better MMS", they don't know any different, it just improves their messaging with no effort.

At least for the region I know, there are _a lot_ more Android users than iOS users, and third party messaging is really common. In practice, SMS is the last resort if you have nothing else.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by aurareturn »

user_named wrote: post #90
aurareturn wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why punish Apple for Google failing to create a good messaging service? Google failed to compete against iMessage in the US and failed to compete with Whatsapp worldwide. Now you want the government to step in to help Google make more money? Let the competition dictate it. No need for the government to get involved. Maybe Google can spend $50 billion to create and market an alternative to iMessage if they truly care…

You are extremely confused since you belive EU wants Google to make more profit.

No, I don't believe that. That's why I said it's a ridiculous idea.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by aurareturn »

codedokode wrote: post #85
cozzyd wrote: post #68

Hopefully the EU (or, in an alternate reality, the US) will eventually force Apple to finally implement RCS messages (or, less likely, open up iMessage).

You can just install Telegram and send messages on any platform including desktop. Why use telco-controlled, unencrypted RCS?

Because Google wants Apple to adopt RCS in order to prevent Android users in the United States from switching to iOS due to green/blue bubble social pressure.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by mu53 »

aurareturn wrote: post #78
cozzyd wrote: post #68

Hopefully the EU (or, in an alternate reality, the US) will eventually force Apple to finally implement RCS messages (or, less likely, open up iMessage).

Why punish Apple for Google failing to create a good messaging service? Google failed to compete against iMessage in the US and failed to compete with Whatsapp worldwide. Now you want the government to step in to help Google make more money? Let the competition dictate it. No need for the government to get involved. Maybe Google can spend $50 billion to create and market an alternative to iMessage if they truly care…

Apple implementing RCS messages should allow anyone to build a messaging app that will be able to integrate directly with iMessage.

It is letting the competition dictate it by leveling the playing field for a behemoth like Apple with every single other messaging app developer/company.

Large tech companies vertically integrating by using their walled gardens as a weapon is literally the point of the EU regulations. For EU regulators, its not taking a side in apple vs google. Its taking a side in mega corporations vs any other company or person

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by Moldoteck »

codedokode wrote: post #85
cozzyd wrote: post #68

Hopefully the EU (or, in an alternate reality, the US) will eventually force Apple to finally implement RCS messages (or, less likely, open up iMessage).

You can just install Telegram and send messages on any platform including desktop. Why use telco-controlled, unencrypted RCS?

funny how you recommend Tgram and mention unencrypted RCS. By default all tgram messages are not e2ee (only if you use secret chats that are super limited in functionality so most users use classic chats) basically having access to any message (personal/group)

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by Seanambers »

aurareturn wrote: post #78
cozzyd wrote: post #68

Hopefully the EU (or, in an alternate reality, the US) will eventually force Apple to finally implement RCS messages (or, less likely, open up iMessage).

Why punish Apple for Google failing to create a good messaging service? Google failed to compete against iMessage in the US and failed to compete with Whatsapp worldwide. Now you want the government to step in to help Google make more money? Let the competition dictate it. No need for the government to get involved. Maybe Google can spend $50 billion to create and market an alternative to iMessage if they truly care…

Interestingly, the only ones talking about this comes from the Android / Google / regulatory side.

Apple users are as far as I can tell happy the way it is.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by pridkett »

mu53 wrote: post #94
aurareturn wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why punish Apple for Google failing to create a good messaging service? Google failed to compete against iMessage in the US and failed to compete with Whatsapp worldwide. Now you want the government to step in to help Google make more money? Let the competition dictate it. No need for the government to get involved. Maybe Google can spend $50 billion to create and market an alternative to iMessage if they truly care…

Apple implementing RCS messages should allow anyone to build a messaging app that will be able to integrate directly with iMessage. It is letting the competition dictate it by leveling the playing field for a behemoth like Apple with every single other messaging app developer/company. Large tech companies vertically integrating by using their walled gardens as a weapon is literally the point of the EU regulations. Fo…

No, it would not allow anyone to integrate directly with iMessage. Apple would ship a competent way to send RCS messages and keep on adding more spices to iMessage.

RCS is better than text, but let’s not delude ourselves, it will likely never be better than iMessage or even WhatsApp.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

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Post by cozzyd »

aurareturn wrote: post #78
cozzyd wrote: post #68

Hopefully the EU (or, in an alternate reality, the US) will eventually force Apple to finally implement RCS messages (or, less likely, open up iMessage).

Why punish Apple for Google failing to create a good messaging service? Google failed to compete against iMessage in the US and failed to compete with Whatsapp worldwide. Now you want the government to step in to help Google make more money? Let the competition dictate it. No need for the government to get involved. Maybe Google can spend $50 billion to create and market an alternative to iMessage if they truly care…

I'm happy to hear about any other open standard that you think might be better. The key is interoperability.

Re: Nothing Phone says it will hack into iMessage, bring blue bubbles to Android

#100

Post by cozzyd »

Seanambers wrote: post #96
aurareturn wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why punish Apple for Google failing to create a good messaging service? Google failed to compete against iMessage in the US and failed to compete with Whatsapp worldwide. Now you want the government to step in to help Google make more money? Let the competition dictate it. No need for the government to get involved. Maybe Google can spend $50 billion to create and market an alternative to iMessage if they truly care…

Interestingly, the only ones talking about this comes from the Android / Google / regulatory side. Apple users are as far as I can tell happy the way it is.

I'm sure Apple users love the shitty images/videos they get when I text them :)
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