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Goodbye Spotify

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Re: Goodbye Spotify

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Music consumption has basically never been in a better place. What Spotify pays artists, and how many employees at Bandcamp get laid off are minor, in the big picture. My music consumption goes something like this: 1) Queue up a known band on Spotify. See what else similar to them Spotify puts into a playlist 2) Listen to the new music, decide what I like or don't like 3) Head over to Bandcamp or Discogs with the stu…

Music has never been in a better place? Do you work for Spotify? Musicians are largely struggling while a few giant corps take all the money. Thats not a good place at all. I think you are conflating “music” with “music consumers”

No, you are conflating "music" with "musicians", it's the same in most creative fields, we have more and better, by an order of magnitude, than we have ever had.

Re: Goodbye Spotify

#93

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SongShift also works really well in my experience. I only use Apple Music in the car these days because its UX is safer/saner than Spotify's. SongShift makes it easy to keep them synced up.

Does it sync tracks that you Love in Apple Music? I have liked Apple Music a lot, except for one major thing when I realized that there is no way to view tracks that I have marked with Love, and I'm trying to find a way to get that information out.

That, I'm not sure about. I just use it to maintain an Apple Music copy of my "Liked Songs" via what they call a "Full Library Transfer" shift.

That may be what you're talking about, since clicking on the heart icon is how songs end up in "Liked Songs" to begin with...? Note that I only use it in the Spotify -> AM direction, not vice versa.

Re: Goodbye Spotify

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I have music on Spotify that I will be removing as well because of their decision not to pay out small artist streams under a certain amount. I pay a distributor (distrokid) to send out music, and do not have a direct agreement with Spotify. As far as I'm concerned, monetizing my music without my consent is theft. Their argument is that the stream amount is so low it ends up not being worth the transaction. On a mora…

I'm sure they'll miss you given you weren't even breaking their pitifully low stream threshold for payout. If you don't like the platform's terms, don't choose them as a place you want DistroKid to put your music. This comment is so entitled and pathetic.

> If you don't like the platform's terms, don't choose them as a place you want DistroKid to put your music.

That's precisely what he's going to do. Did you read the comment?

> This comment is so entitled and pathetic.

Ironic.

Re: Goodbye Spotify

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Funny, I finally ditched Spotify last week. I just can’t stand the pop up ads, the cluttered interface, and frankly I’m sick of the recommendations. So far I’ve been trying Apple Music, and have liked it so far. I’ve tried in the past but didn’t stick around long enough to learn how to use it. Also, I have HomePods as speakers for my living room tv and found that “streaming” to them using Apple Music isn’t streaming,…

I don't think it makes sense to compare free Spotify to paid Apple Music directly. Am I confused here? I've personally never seen popup ads in (paid) Spotify, either on mobile or desktop.

I see ads all the time on paid Spitufy. Ads for podcasts are the most common ones. Just because the ad is for an in-house service doesn't make it not an ad.

Re: Goodbye Spotify

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels like a disingenuous take on TFA's in-passing reference. Spotify spending USD$100-$200 million on, say, that particular angertainment professional got a lot of people riled up because a) he's actively, demonstrably harmful, b) they had zero interest in patronising him, let along listening to him, but mostly c) their subscription costs had gone up to cover this indefensible payment. Like TFA, I get my podcas…

> got a lot of people riled up No it didn’t. It got a tiny minority of a certain insignificant type upset. Step out into the real world and the number one podcast is, by definition, well received.

> It got a tiny minority of a certain insignificant type

I guess how one perceived the reaction to that transaction comes down to one's own biases.

If you wish to discount some people's problem with paying a misinformation-peddler hundreds of millions of dollars while, as per TFA, genuinely creative people are paid nothing because 'it's too hard to handle the transactions' - then that gives us a little more insight into you.

> Step out into the real world and the number one podcast is, by definition, well received.

Number one in the USA, you mean, right?

Podcasts are a niche medium, with extremely poorly reported listening figures, but so far I can tell this guy has an average of 11 million listeners.

That's less than 4% of the USA (around 0.1% of the real world).

I get that anger and controversy are highly saleable products - crime content makes up a surprising amount of the podcast leaderboard.

However, in a country where 230 million people believe angels are real, it shouldn't be surprising, nor held up as an arbiter of quality or sanity, that 11 million people think this guy is credible / worth $200m a year.

Re: Goodbye Spotify

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has it made earning a living even harder though? Before streaming it was much harder to discover obscure artists from places outside of your own local area, usually you'd go crate-digging vinyls at 2nd hand shops to find the true gems. I don't understand how enabling access to music from anywhere in the world has made earning a living harder to music artists, the industry was always extremely hard outside of a few lu…

I guess I agree with you (and others making the same argument) but feel like it is ultimately arguing that to support artists, you need to go outside Spotify, which to me implies something is broken about it. Maybe that's the nature of things but I think part of that argument is there could be something better. Maybe it's beside the point from a practical perspective but I guess I agree with that too. I think finding…

> I guess I agree with you (and others making the same argument) but feel like it is ultimately arguing that to support artists, you need to go outside Spotify, which to me implies something is broken about it.

Something is broken: the market for music.

People are not willing to spend a lot more for music (not digitally at least), so the economics of it are broken, there's a lot of content, done with passion, and any passion industry is bound to underpay because people will do it for non-monetary reasons like self-fulfillment, expression, etc.

Re: Goodbye Spotify

#98

I feel we're entering a 2nd great renaissance of media piracy and torrent sites. Fair streaming services were a great solution. But for a variety of reasons that all has slowly been corrupted and become obtrusive. I've recently cancelled my Netflix account after subscribing for over 12 years. Private torrent sites are reporting a significant increases in active users.

As a South African, it is ridiculous to me that I cannot even legally buy or rent some films that were produced in South Africa, and is about South Africa.

I cannot recall the details now, but this has happened at least 3 times over the last couple of months.

This is driving people towards piracy again.

Re: Goodbye Spotify

#99
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I have music on Spotify that I will be removing as well because of their decision not to pay out small artist streams under a certain amount. I pay a distributor (distrokid) to send out music, and do not have a direct agreement with Spotify. As far as I'm concerned, monetizing my music without my consent is theft. Their argument is that the stream amount is so low it ends up not being worth the transaction. On a mora…

For those of us who don't know about the threshold and might think it's something outrageous -- it's 1000 streams, which translates to ~$3.

1000 stream per year per song. 2/3 of all music will be demonetized. There’s very successful artists with lots of songs in their back catalogs that don’t hit that threshold.

And pointing how low the royalties are is not a valid argument for not paying artists anything!

Re: Goodbye Spotify

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I have music on Spotify that I will be removing as well because of their decision not to pay out small artist streams under a certain amount. I pay a distributor (distrokid) to send out music, and do not have a direct agreement with Spotify. As far as I'm concerned, monetizing my music without my consent is theft. Their argument is that the stream amount is so low it ends up not being worth the transaction. On a mora…

A small correction, from the article mentioned in the post, the $40m is not going to Spotify, it is going to the other artists with more than 1000 streams annually.

correction to your correction…that $40 million will mostly end up in the hands of the record labels that have pushed this change.
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