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Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor

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Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

xtracto wrote: post #77
injeolmi_love wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And where exactly is free speech left? Every public platform I’ve used over the last 20 years that had freedom of speech was shut down. Currently if you want to discuss ideas or issues that are outside of the publicly approved consensus, the only choice left is private chats. Even there the options are continually shrinking.

Just yesterday I was thinking of publishing a heavy moderated sit or subreddit named "nuance" . A platform for healthy dialogue of subjects that normally cannot be discussed . With a minimum of say 100 words per reply, and a weekly vote of the subject of discussion for next week. I dream of being able to healthy discuss stuff like "illegal crossing/immigration of mexicans" or "US gun control/freedom" , or even more t…

> I dream of being able to healthy discuss stuff like "illegal crossing/immigration of mexicans" or "US gun control/freedom", or even more touchy subjects like "pedophilia, as a mental sickness".

You call those "touchy subjects"? Do "Jewish history" and watch it get shut down in a week.

Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

dmitrygr wrote: post #5

Please punch a hole on your “once again, a lack of parenting being solved by something other than better parenting” card.

What is this "better parenting" and where can I buy it? Is there an app for it?

But in all seriousness, "parenting" is not a quantifiable resource. "Just be a better parent bro" isn't valid advice.

Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor

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Post by miohtama »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #92
dmitrygr wrote: post #5

Please punch a hole on your “once again, a lack of parenting being solved by something other than better parenting” card.

What is this "better parenting" and where can I buy it? Is there an app for it? But in all seriousness, "parenting" is not a quantifiable resource. "Just be a better parent bro" isn't valid advice.

You can borrow books on good parenting at your local library and/or family planning clinic

Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor

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Post by DoItToMe81 »

alephnerd wrote: post #40
mattigames wrote: post #28

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But at least you agree that is because big companies have enough money to buy enough moderation correct? So in the best case scenario is jut another part of society that small companies are not allowed to participate if they are not rich enough.

If I post CSAM on HN I am 100% going to be reported and sent to jail. HN has only 2-3 mods, yet I don't see a plethora of old men's schlongs on here. Yet Omegle made more money and had more users than HN ever would, but consistently failed at moderation. > small companies are not allowed to participate if they are not rich enough It's been open knowledge to anyone who's been in middle and high school since 2010 (like…

Omegle's video chat had an overzealous AI that would ban you if you showed too many skin coloured pixels for years, and actively cooperated with global law enforcement and the Centre for Missing/Exploited Children. The idea that they just allowed their site to be flooded with predators and went "Eh, we're making money" is wrong and borderline slanderous.

Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor

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Post by 3cats-in-a-coat »

ipaddr wrote: post #52
3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #21

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I don't know how you understand "parenting" but it's not supposed to involve 24/7 second by second monitoring of a teenager's life. It's complicated. I don't blame Omegle, but sometimes there's no one to blame, except the perpetrators. Now, thanks to AI, we could recreate Omegle and make it safer, like detect children using it, and detect abusers. Of course this may trigger an arm's race of filters. But I think we ha…

Parenting a teen is re-forcing values taught earlier in life. Expecting society to share parenting responsibilities doesn't work. It could be safer but it's up to you to decide your family's risk/reward ratio. Safer getting a dick video online then in person and a teachable moment. These dicks are out there in the world. This could belong to your teacher, friend's dad, brother.. if you ever see this again call 911 an…

A child spends more hours of day in school, and under the influence of media (legacy, social and all kinds) and society in general, than with their parents. Unless probably those parents are unemployed and homeschooling the child. Which is its own type of trauma.

Any reductionist stance that "only" parents matter and society doesn't, or "only" this or "only" that betrays a lack of basic common sense. A child is a product of its environment, and the child and its parents exist in a society (so says Jared Leto). A child is like a radio antenna, it picks up information and influences from everywhere and reproduces them. A child that hits puberty also wants to do exactly the opposite of what you teach them, and be rebellious with the worst specimens in their class. Opening a chat site is probably the most innocent thing they can do, and if that innocent act can trivially lead to dire consequences, yes, society has a problem to solve.

The problem isn't Omegle in particular, but rather how unstructured the Internet is. Anything goes, you can therefore not shape and mold a child's environment to be nurturing and educational. If they have Internet you basically drop the entire world on their shoulders at once. Any filters and controls are at best leaky.

Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor

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Post by rantallion »

Unbefleckt wrote: post #95

Why use the word survivor for someone who was coerced into taking pics of the self naked and was never physically abused

Not all abuse is physical, and not being physical doesn't necessarily diminish the trauma the survivor has experienced. Why is 'survivor' not apt here?

Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor

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Post by 4rt »

rantallion wrote: post #97
Unbefleckt wrote: post #95

Why use the word survivor for someone who was coerced into taking pics of the self naked and was never physically abused

Not all abuse is physical, and not being physical doesn't necessarily diminish the trauma the survivor has experienced. Why is 'survivor' not apt here?

I'm not from the USA but it seems like "survivor" traditionally implies having survived a situation where the normal expectation is poor odds of survivability. Nobody's a stubbed toe survivor or an upset about the bus survivor.

Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor

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Post by eek2121 »

4rt wrote: post #98
rantallion wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all abuse is physical, and not being physical doesn't necessarily diminish the trauma the survivor has experienced. Why is 'survivor' not apt here?

I'm not from the USA but it seems like "survivor" traditionally implies having survived a situation where the normal expectation is poor odds of survivability. Nobody's a stubbed toe survivor or an upset about the bus survivor.

I am a stubbed toe survivor! I almost died (from laughter!) the last time I stubbed my toe (fell down the stairs)

Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor

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Post by reportgunner »

4rt wrote: post #98
rantallion wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all abuse is physical, and not being physical doesn't necessarily diminish the trauma the survivor has experienced. Why is 'survivor' not apt here?

I'm not from the USA but it seems like "survivor" traditionally implies having survived a situation where the normal expectation is poor odds of survivability. Nobody's a stubbed toe survivor or an upset about the bus survivor.

I guess they would use the word survivor to say that the person did not end up ending their stay on this earth.
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