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Re: Quake Brutalist Jam II

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Post by foobarchu »

badsectoracula wrote: post #69
JohnBooty wrote: post #56

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a well-developed aesthetic that is used as an informed choice Wow! I love the way you phrased this, and your post in general. It put into words something I had struggled to express. For too long, pixel art and other "dead" technologies like Q1 mapmaking were largely treated solely as kitchsy "retro" or "nostalgic" aesthetics and not worthy of study, refinement, and enjoyment in their own rights.

Personally i'm of the opinion that if you can point at a game and say "that looks like a XYZ game" where XYZ is some period-specific identification then that itself makes XYZ a visual style. E.g. "that looks like a PS1 game" or "that looks like a 90s game" or "that looks like a DOS game". And that includes "that looks like a PS3/X360 game" too, even if it is probably too soon for many to accept that :-P

Huh, an interesting conclusion to me is that I'm another decade or so there will probably be nostalgic artwork recreating the HDR, brown, grimy vibes of late aughts action games

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Post by hypertexthero »

chilmers wrote: post #19

I love how level creation for games like Doom and Quake has developed into these small, independent scenes, with a rich community history and a real sense of taste and refinement in how they approach designing for these games. In the same way that "pixel art" has evolved from a necessity driven by the limits of early hardware, through early attempts to recreate a "retro" look, to the point where it is a well-develope…

Well said!

I think video games are their own art form, now, with indie studios making beauties like Noita and AAA behemoth bottegas crafting entire worlds with every little corner containing art to explore should you take the time to walk, like the London depicted in Watch Dogs: Legion.

If only more companies had the courage and vision to make their games fully-moddable, thus transforming and extending their lives, like ID Software, Bethesda, and Bohemia Interactive have done.

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Post by ep103 »

gorkish wrote: post #72
Tao3300 wrote: post #32

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> the engine really just lends itself to these environments So I used to think "this would make one hell of a Quake level" in places that it would be really inappropriate to think that: government buildings, hospitals, a school or two. It occurs to me now that these were all Brutalist-influenced buildings. This is something I never ever talked about, growing up in the wake of Columbine. In retrospect I guess it's not…

My friends and I made levels of our school campus dorms, etc. for both Doom and Quake. This was all prior to Columbine and nobody thought it was strange in the slightest; on the contrary everyone thought it was awesome (faculty included). A couple of years later, and who knows how it would have been perceived or if we would have even felt that it was appropriate. We only had two buildings with an architectural style…

We did that post-columbine. One of our friends made the map in something like CS or something. Our little friend group thought it was awesome, but it was also tacitly understood that at no point could we tell anyone outside our tiny little trust circle about it, god forbid they thought we were like the columbine kids, instead of just trying to play a game in like, one of the two buildings we spent half of our lives in thus far. I don't know if he ever even ultimately shared it with us. We also made the school in a starcraft map using the blue resources as hallways IIRC, and were quiet about that one too, for the same reason haha

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Post by jprd »

ep103 wrote: post #94
gorkish wrote: post #72

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My friends and I made levels of our school campus dorms, etc. for both Doom and Quake. This was all prior to Columbine and nobody thought it was strange in the slightest; on the contrary everyone thought it was awesome (faculty included). A couple of years later, and who knows how it would have been perceived or if we would have even felt that it was appropriate. We only had two buildings with an architectural style…

We did that post-columbine. One of our friends made the map in something like CS or something. Our little friend group thought it was awesome, but it was also tacitly understood that at no point could we tell anyone outside our tiny little trust circle about it, god forbid they thought we were like the columbine kids, instead of just trying to play a game in like, one of the two buildings we spent half of our lives i…

Toys R Us. 90s. Teammate made a map of our store.

Pure. Therapy.

9/11 happens and those maps are now dust (no pun intended).

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Post by mherdeg »

neilv wrote: post #71
brap wrote: post #28

If you enjoy brutalism and video games I highly recommend Control. Beautiful, beautiful game.

I hated Brutalism before playing Control. Just look at how intimidating the Boston City Hall fortress is, as it looms over you, while you try to even find the entrance. But Control's architectural and furnishings atmosphere was very appealing, and it warmed me towards the Boston and Cambridge buildings that I'd previously disliked. Screenshots: https://www.gamedeveloper.com/art/the-real-buildings-that-in...

Boston definitely makes it hard to love.

Some of the best ambassadors for Brutalist architecture I've experienced are the Barbican in London and the Bonaventure in Los Angeles. They make good spaces for people.

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Post by beebeepka »

pixelpoet wrote: post #68
2c2c2c wrote: post #57

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it's a genre issue. these types of games will never be popular to most people given the alternatives now available

Agreed, and people (presumably under 20) even call them "Boomer shooters" :( I get pretty upset about that, especially considering how unbearably Fisher Price Fortnite and Valorant etc look, to say nothing of their completely lacking the hardcore, balls-to-the-wall fast aiming, prediction and spatial planning. It takes the most difficult mechanical aspects of Counterstrike and makes it 10x faster; apparently "kids th…

I am old and don't get upset. Some of the best games over the last few years are Boomer Shooters. My favourite do far is Turbo Overkill - double jump and crazy air control right from the start. Plays better than Doom
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