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Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by asdajksah2123 »

reisse wrote: post #84
tuna74 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can see a lot of bugs found (and being fixed) in that MR. Should Gnome add lots of new bugs for little gain?

I won't answer this question because Canonical did it for me. As I mentioned in the parent post, they considered the gain so important that Ubuntu ships triple buffering patch starting from 22.04 LTS. Well, they actually come up with this feature - Daniel Van Vugt, author of the patch (huuuuge thank you, by the way) works for Canonical. So yeah, I promised not to answer, but I'd say GNOME should definitely have upstr…

And that's a good thing.

Gnome is not a distro. It doesn't provide a user facing distro.

It's a DE that other people are building the largest distros on.

They should be adding stuff based on their priorities, while Gnome's priority should be advancing the DE while ensuring their DE does not break all the many major distros that are based off Gnome.

It's a good thing that the distros can then add/fix stuff based on their priorities. That's what open development is about. That's what allows Canonical to differentiate from a Fedora. How they choose to prioritize the features/fixes they build on top of Gnome.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by vondur »

type0 wrote: post #85
vondur wrote: post #79

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For speed, I've been trying out using Clear Linux. It feels really fast. Getting software for it outside of FlatHub or in the Clear Linux repos basically means compiling from source, but so far it's been good.

> or in the Clear Linux repos basically means compiling from source Or take the path of least resistance and just install it with Distrobox

Ooh. This is pretty cool. I’ll have to give it a try. Thanks.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

Delk wrote: post #87
BenjiWiebe wrote: post #83

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I've been running Fedora for around 10 years and I'm pretty sure they don't have a different reboot for updates, except a system upgrade (F38->F39) which is opt-in and takes 30ish minutes on my PC. Normal updates overwrite the files in place, so whenever a daemon/app is re/started it will use the new files then.

If you update using the GUI software updater (Gnome Software), it pre-downloads the packages but (at least usually) the actual update action is "restart and update". That reboots the system and does the actual updating at that point. If you update using dnf on the command line, it works as you describe.

I see. Yes the first thing I do on a Fedora install is turn off the GUI updater.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by sk5t »

sillywalk wrote: post #86
lagniappe wrote: post #70

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Since '95 here... I'm just happy I don't have to visit a library to get 0.1% as far as I can today with a simple search query. We've got it good now, all things considered. I'm sure others feel differently, but I cannot complain.

> We've got it good now, all things considered. I'm sure others feel differently, but I cannot complain. /deadpan/ I can complain, and I do it all the time , especially on internet forums. It's not my fault other people haven't fixed my complaints, even though I've offered no assistance. That's their fault. People say "you've got it good now", or "you're not helping", or "show us the source code", or "First world pro…

Jack Handey “Lowering my Standards” vibes (a very amusing short essay).

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by tapoxi »

davet91 wrote: post #44
tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

Steam fractional scaling should work since their big UI update a few months ago. Try launching Steam with this environment variable: STEAM_FORCE_DESKTOPUI_SCALING=1.5

Awesome this fixes it!

For those using the Flatpak: sudo flatpak override com.valvesoftware.Steam --env=STEAM_FORCE_DESKTOPUI_SCALING=1.5

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by ahgshando6698 »

asdajksah2123 wrote: post #90
reisse wrote: post #73

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> You have no idea what the challenges are or how the development process works for this project. The magic of the open source gives you the possibility to see it. And I do sometimes take a look into a shitshow of management which is this three years old triple buffering MR [1]. Don't get me wrong, I didn't examine the code thoroughly, it might be a marvel of engineering, but when it takes you more than three years (…

And yet somehow despite Gnome's shitshow management, all the major distros default to GNOME. Maybe they're doing something right?

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Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by ahgshando6698 »

jsiepkes wrote: post #52
phendrenad2 wrote: post #50

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Even though Linux is open-source, it's not immune to the force of money. There are paying customers for Red Hat, and maybe they don't care about DPI scaling that much.

Modern high-res screens in notebooks are almost unusable with Gnome. You need to enable "Large fonts" under accessibility to make it remotely usable. And these screens are becoming more common. So where do paying Red Hat customers use Gnome for then if it's not on notebooks and desktops? For servers?

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Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by sillywalk »

sk5t wrote: post #94
sillywalk wrote: post #86

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> We've got it good now, all things considered. I'm sure others feel differently, but I cannot complain. /deadpan/ I can complain, and I do it all the time , especially on internet forums. It's not my fault other people haven't fixed my complaints, even though I've offered no assistance. That's their fault. People say "you've got it good now", or "you're not helping", or "show us the source code", or "First world pro…

Jack Handey “Lowering my Standards” vibes (a very amusing short essay).

Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment :)

As a kid, I remember his Deep Thoughts SNL bits, as an adult, I bought a couple of Jack Handy's Deep Thoughts books.

In hind sight I'd say that was more The Onion "People Don't Like It When You Call Them Stupid"

https://www.theonion.com/people-dont-like-it-when-you-call-t...

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by t0bia_s »

tristan957 wrote: post #57
reisse wrote: post #33

Dynamic triple buffering for GNOME has been postponed again, fractional scaling is nowhere in sight, but they landed > a new workspace switcher and a much-improved image viewer. What a joke of a product management. Sometimes I envy guys who can rewrite workspace switchers again and again on Red Hat's money.

How many people do you think Red Hat pays to work on all projects within the GNOME namespace on their GitLab? There were no Red Hat employees involved in the development of the new image viewer. It was a community effort. Will you be stepping up to provide resources? Why are you ignoring all the other work Red Hat did this cycle with regard to things like HDR?

Does Fedora 39 support 10bit displays finally?
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