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Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

huytersd wrote: post #70
faeriechangling wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PrEP exists and is 99% effective. I've absolutely heard of people who use PrEP and have sex with people with HIV/AIDS bareback. Not sure if I'd recommend doing that, but people will find a way to screw if they can.

PrEP takes preplanning and atleast several hours before someone can have sex even if they have the pills on them. That’s not really going to work for casual hookups.

No it doesn't. Other than the first few days after getting a prescription where one needs to wait for it to build up in the body, it's 1 pill/day with no further planning.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by bakugo »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #89
huytersd wrote: post #76

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Abusive is too wide of term that covers too many things. Marriages can be hard if it’s a partnership of equals. It needs to move back to the paradigm where the husband is the primary dominant and makes all the decisions. The wife needs to be submissive. Marriages of this variety are easy. We already have domestic violence laws in place so there are safeguards in place against actual abuse.

Good god no. That kind is patriarchal bullshit is on its way out, and good riddance. I kind of suspect you are just trolling here.

> That kind is patriarchal bullshit is on its way out

And so are birthrates, as a result.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by RajT88 »

chowells wrote: post #61
monlockandkey wrote: post #55

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/656516/abortion-distribu... 77% of abortions done by people who are not married and 46% done by women who are not married and not even cohabiting. Abortion is a symptom of a problem which is the lack of marriage and the highly promiscuous lifestyle that is sold to us. Married people when there is a child on the way (planned or unplanned), there is little to no reason to get an abor…

Abortion is a symptom of preventing conception being too much hassle. Nothing more, nothing less. And you realize that people of every age group are having less sex than any time in the last 30 years, right? It's almost like this "promiscuous lifestyle" you're so terrified of doesn't exist.

Not to mention a host of societal factors leading to more autonomy for women which in turn leads to (you guessed it) sex outside of marriage.

To make more women married, we would have to roll back the clock on all those hard won freedoms. Let's not do that, let's maybe just make birth control more accessible, effective and affordable. Boom! Abortion problem solved.

The person I was responding to initially clearly does not want to solve abortion this way.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by huytersd »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #91
huytersd wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PrEP takes preplanning and atleast several hours before someone can have sex even if they have the pills on them. That’s not really going to work for casual hookups.

No it doesn't. Other than the first few days after getting a prescription where one needs to wait for it to build up in the body, it's 1 pill/day with no further planning.

Well that’s even worse. You have to be on it continuously? I thought it was just before any planned sexual encounters? They’re basically ARTs and wreak havoc on the body (10x increase in cancers- that’s a 1000%, neurological damage etc.) over time.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by huytersd »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #89
huytersd wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abusive is too wide of term that covers too many things. Marriages can be hard if it’s a partnership of equals. It needs to move back to the paradigm where the husband is the primary dominant and makes all the decisions. The wife needs to be submissive. Marriages of this variety are easy. We already have domestic violence laws in place so there are safeguards in place against actual abuse.

Good god no. That kind is patriarchal bullshit is on its way out, and good riddance. I kind of suspect you are just trolling here.

I wasn’t trolling. It’s probably my least progressive viewpoint but honestly I don’t see a society that can continue to make technological progress without it. The patriarchy isn’t going anywhere, if anything it is only growing in the US GOP, East Asia, South Asia, Eastern Europe and Russia, the Middle East, Australia, Africa and Latin America.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by blipvert »

ksaj wrote: post #90
blipvert wrote: post #59

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Oh come on, look back at the “golden age” of porn - not a condom in sight!

No condoms, but the money shot was always external prior to the recent "all internal" craze. Creampies forego any and all risks. Coitus interruptus is in the minority these days.

Well, so don’t even know where to start if you think that “coitus interruptus” is a way of preventing STDs.

Good luck!

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

huytersd wrote: post #94
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it doesn't. Other than the first few days after getting a prescription where one needs to wait for it to build up in the body, it's 1 pill/day with no further planning.

Well that’s even worse. You have to be on it continuously? I thought it was just before any planned sexual encounters? They’re basically ARTs and wreak havoc on the body (10x increase in cancers- that’s a 1000%, neurological damage etc.) over time.

Nope, prep is well tolerated by the vast majority of individuals, although in rare cases it can reduce kidney function and bone density — However, the prescription requires regular lab testing (Where they also run STI tests as well), and if issues are found, there's two options:

1: Getting off prep, in which case kidney/bones should return to normal.

2: Switching to a newer version of prep called Descovy (in the US), which is has less of the aforementioned side effects, but is more expensive because there is no generic for it yet, and may not be covered by some insurances.

Although technically not sanctioned in the US (IIRC), the 2-1-1 method can also be an option for planned encounters: 2 pills 24hrs before the encounter, and 1/day for 2 days after the encounter.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by totetsu »

gottorf wrote: post #24
totetsu wrote: post #13

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Not just chastity but also poverty. Imagine how much economic damage a global HIV pandemic would do that can be avoided by keeping it suppressed. What it the opposition to continuing this program thinking? The article mentions wrongly associating it with abortions, .. and maybe some support goes to at risk people which includes mentioning transgender… they would tank the global economy and ruin their own lives on thi…

> Not just chastity but also poverty. Virtually every cultural subgroup in history had their birthrates plummet once they reached a certain amount of wealth. Evidence indicates that if anything, poverty is good for population growth.

But how does that work out in places with untreated endemic HIV?

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by huytersd »

jimbob45 wrote: post #4
huytersd wrote: post #2

I’m going to be very mad if there is a resurgence in HIV because of the asinine GOP. If people have to be worried again about their next sexual contact (condoms only offer between 70-90% protection against HIV), we will return to a prudish lifestyle again at a time the west can least afford it with falling birth rates.

condoms only offer between 70-90% protection against HIV PrEP offers 100% protection against HIV.

That’s not true. It’s only ~87% effective against shared needles.

Re: The global fight against HIV is at risk

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Post by huytersd »

alwa wrote: post #25
redserk wrote: post #5

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At least in the US, PrEP can be very expensive.

Can be, and certainly is on paper, but in practice most everybody professionally involved with this problem knows that the groups at the most risk also tend to be among the most economically vulnerable. I know a lot of USians on Prep, none of whom pay out of pocket for it. It’s heavily subsidized through public health channels, manufacturer rebate programs to help with high deductibles for insured people, and grant o…

As an aside, how do you know so many people on prep? Are you gay?
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