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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by unethical_ban »

s-xyz wrote: post #14

I share the same experience and opinion. I cannot imagine what a significant argument would be to use AWS instead of GCP that outweighs the benefits and the seemingly integrated services. GCP has so far covered 99% of my use cases, and I can testify that I have a lot of advanced cases linked to data management, information security, networking and more. I am open and do not judge AWS, and perhaps its also a matter of…

I used to work in cloud security, mostly AWS but got to hear about experiences with GCP.

AWS IAM is much better than GCP, or was 3 years ago. If you are in an industry where fine-tuned RBAC per service is a thing you want, it's better to go AWS, all things equal.

Also, GCP reps suck compared to AWS in terms of responsiveness and general give-a-shits. Hearsay.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by heyodai »

Eridrus wrote: post #51
judge2020 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they do want to kill it, I can see them giving as little as a 5 year window before everything is shut down. Odds? Nobody's a fortune teller, but it was still being subsidized by ads with 3B loss in its FY22[0 p. 70], only increasing 100M in profit despite cloud revenue growing from 19B to 26B overall [0 p. 66]. They're either going to need to increase costs or add more "killer" products with large margins if they…

At what odds are you willing to make a bet on this? Do you think there's a 20% chance it's gone in 5 years? Do you think it's 5%? Do you think it's 30%? People keep saying things will be shut down and I think they should put their money where their mouth is.

Even 5% is uncomfortably high if you're planning to build your mission-critical infrastructure around it.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by mef »

preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

it does seem like any of Google's support options for paid services have the primary goal of reducing support load on Google, not to solve problems for paying customers

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by VirusNewbie »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #49

See Google/Alphabet's latest quarterly earnings. There's a decent chance that in a few years GCP will be no more. I had an argument with one of the biggest investors in Google a few years ago, in which I was predicting exactly this scenario. He didn't believe me. Perhaps I was right after all. GCP lost a ton of money since its inception. Its leadership is so far away from being able to run this business properly, tha…

Wait, so a few years ago you predicted that they'd deprecate cloud, and now, when GCP is making a profit and growing revenue substantially, you're more inclined to think your prediction is coming true?

>Plus, as your company scales, you should REDUCE, not increase, your cloud usage, in favor of a properly optimized on-prem.

Yes if you get to dropbox size it might make sense to go to on prem, but most F500 companies save money going to the cloud for a multitude of reasons.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by DoctorOW »

ajross wrote: post #90
preommr wrote: post #82

I'll continue beating the dead horse: I don't trust Google. At best GCP is slightly better than AWS (debatable), which is not enough to offset the risk because of how much of a pain it is to switch cloud providers. Even if GCP shutting down is one in a million, aws shutting down is 1 in ten million. Also, I keep getting the feeling that Google keeps trying to automate their customer service through bots. I have use q…

No interest on engaging on the core issues of trust, except to say my standard bit: HN is a site predicated on the whole idea of embracing risk . Except with this one particular vendor who everyone loves to distrust. Maybe... it's not about risk at all?

Generally the phrase is "High risk, high reward." This would be considered a relatively low reward.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Alupis »

mvdtnz wrote: post #88
Alupis wrote: post #85

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It's not entirely a fair take, since nobody figured out how to make cloud gaming feasible. They have all given up, or are in the process of giving up.

Huh? Microsoft and nVidia (and I think Sony? not sure) are continuing to run their cloud gaming services as we speak.

The market is tiny (relatively) for all of these players. Motley Fool estimates the entire cloud gaming industry is ~$2.5B in total revenue for 2023.

Many of the current services are likely running at a loss, hoping for the hype-train to get people into it.

The reality is, most people wanting to play AAA titles either have a console, or a gaming computer already

The cross-section of people with a 10 year old macbook, that want to play the latest AAA title, have expensive high-bandwidth internet, and are willing to pay ~$30+ a month is just not that large.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by eximius »

While I never spent a lot of time in GCP, it seemed like it was harder to understand GCP itself as a platform compared to AWS.

That is to say that Google APIs and services seem fine, but figuring out project management and infrastructure management feel incredibly weird. Not necessarily bad, but arcane and awkward where in AWS I can just hit the ground running.

Arguably, debatably, GCP might have the "more correct" model with resources scoped to projects and such, but it does make the learning curve harder.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by latchkey »

adrr wrote: post #89
latchkey wrote: post #76

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Yea, that's not true at all of GCP... you're just propagating a myth.

Why is GCP a distance 3rd with cloud providers? They used to be second. They literally will throw tens of thousands of dollars of free development to get you to switch. Amazon may give some service credits if you're willing to switch an application over to them. EKS and GKE are on par with each other. So its not technology holding them back.

> Why is GCP a distance 3rd with cloud providers?

Honestly, it boggles my mind. Bad marketing seems to be the driving force here.

“Nobody ever gets fired for buying IBM.”

If you've actually spent time building on their platform though, it feels like you're in some sort of inner circle of knowledge. The stuff works, and works really well.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Eridrus »

seanthemon wrote: post #55
Eridrus wrote: post #51

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At what odds are you willing to make a bet on this? Do you think there's a 20% chance it's gone in 5 years? Do you think it's 5%? Do you think it's 30%? People keep saying things will be shut down and I think they should put their money where their mouth is.

What an oddly aggressive comment - perhaps the problem isn't prediction but extrapolation of past experiences with Google, would you not agree that it gives you a sliver of worry that they may cut the service off? You seem very intense about Google's offering, maybe you feel attacked by the points made in the thread, but the way you're approaching this discussion is very strange.

I'm tired of reading the same thing over and over where people prognosticate based on poor readings of events and I think people should put there money where their mouth is.

I really do not think the chance of GCP discontinuing a core service is high enough to warrant the level of comments this gets and if I find myself constantly reading these comments, maybe I can at least be compensated by people making bad bets or maybe people will admit the chance is really low.

So if you are so worried about this, please give me a number that represents how worried you are about this.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Eridrus »

HideousKojima wrote: post #69
Eridrus wrote: post #26

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What odds would you like to bet that GCP is going to be gone in 10 years?

If it can't get profitable (or at least within $1B/year of profitable, or have some sort of major loss leader value to Google) then I'd give it 90% likelihood they they announce a shutdown within 10 years. Whether or not they'll continue to lose billions a year for Google I can't say.

If you want to give me 10:1 odds GCP is not going to be around in 10 years, I will bet you any amount of money you are willing to name lol.
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