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California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by gregsadetsky »

wstrange wrote: post #71

Link to Cruise review of incident: https://getcruise.com/news/blog/2023/a-detailed-review-of-th...

Tragic all around.

“The Nissan Sentra then tragically struck and propelled the pedestrian into the path of the AV. The AV biased rightward before braking aggressively, but still made contact with the pedestrian. The AV detected a collision, bringing the vehicle to a stop; then attempted to pull over to avoid causing further road safety issues, pulling the individual forward approximately 20 feet. The driver of the Nissan Sentra fled the scene after the collision.”

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by fletchowns »

reset2023 wrote: post #69

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Is this just a troll comment?

- Zero traffic fatalities would be nice - Reduced congestion/traffic, people can get to places faster - Never having to worry about parking again - No more need for cars parked on streets, more space & safer for cyclists and pedestrians - Reduced income requirements for those that need access to a car

There are countless benefits. The transition period to get there will be a little tumultuous, but we'll get there eventually as a society

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by stfp »

cryptoz wrote: post #70

So much is discussed about self-driving car safety because the implications are really big but also uncomfortable. However, I always get stuck on how little enforcement there is for human drivers who habitually break driving laws and cause dangerous situations. DUIs are one thing sure but honestly most drivers who are bad and dangerous are sober and face no consequences for reckless behavior. Is there something speci…

Not sure about the specifics here but to jump on your point about human drivers not being safe...

10000% we need safer designs for streets and roads, better education, automated enforcement of speed limits, dis-incentives for larger/heavier/more dangerous vehicles, ...

All of these things need to be done, and can be done with existing technology today. We don't need self-driving cars to address our problems; they're essentially a distraction and an excuse to postpone improvements.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by nvy »

cryptoz wrote: post #73
reset2023 wrote: post #69

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Something like 30,000 Americans alone are killed every year in car accidents. I think the primary idea is to reduce the constant death on the road by making machines that are safer at driving than humans. The toll that car accidents have on society is honestly unconscionable.

If Americans were serious about reducing car deaths they'd ban gigantic pickups and SUVs with blind spots big enough to fit a Volkswagen. They'd ban cars from city centers and build bicycle highways. They'd invest in convenient rail infrastructure.

Instead we've got "it's a car but you can doomscroll while on your 45 minute commute and we harvest your data to sell ads".

This has nothing to do with public safety.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by selimthegrim »

zachur wrote: post #87
swatcoder wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article, it sounds like the Cruise vehicle didn't just strike the pedestrian but stopped on top of her and pinned her in place. A bystander needed to recognize the incident and reassure her until emergency services arrived and mechanically removed her from below the vehicle using the jaws of life. While not impossible, it's hard to imagine a human-driver scenario that would look quite like that, regardless o…

You're right, a human driver might not have remained in place. And as a result they would have risked further injury or death. "“When it comes to someone pinned beneath a vehicle, the most effective way to unpin them is to lift the vehicle,” Sgt. Kathryn Winters, a spokesperson for the department, said in an interview. Were a driver to move a vehicle with a person lying there, “you run the risk of causing more injury…

Somehow I doubt the Cruise vehicle was taught about Uncle Rhabdo.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by mips_avatar »

The incident last month where that woman got dragged and pinned by the Cruise vehicle was pretty disconcerting. The initial collision wasn't the fault of the cruise vehicle (another vehicle hit her pushing her into the cruise vehicle and fled the scene), but the cruise vehicle then proceeded to try to "pull over" and just dragged this woman and rolled over her leg. Weird situation but definitely something made much much worse by not having a person in the loop once the incident occurred.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by therealmarv »

xyst wrote: post #81

TxDMV needs to follow this. Fuck these companies. They are testing their garbage in dense urban areas. Too many times their vehicles just stop in the middle of the road. If it rains, vehicle stops. If the light is out, vehicle panics and stops. Somebody puts a cone on the hood, vehicle panics. If a single variable not accounted for in their algorithms shifts beyond expected range, it fucking panics. So much money dum…

This!

A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It's where the rich use public transportation.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by saalweachter »

thereisnospork wrote: post #20

How many surplus people will be killed by human drivers today, tomorrow, next year, and next decade because of this suspension I wonder? No one ever seems to consider them in these decisions[0]. [0]I can see myself not agreeing with the conclusions, but to not even see the question broached in these terms is maddening.

We -- in the US -- could cut our traffic-related death rate in half (or more!) by just doing whatever it is that most European countries [UK, German, Sweden, etc] do different from us.

No advanced robotics necessary.

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