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Nvidia to make Arm-based PC chips in major new challenge to Intel

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Re: Nvidia to make Arm-based PC chips in major new challenge to Intel

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pseudosavant wrote: post #8

I hope these ARM chips are Apple-level ARM designs. Apple has an ARM license that allows them to completely design their own cores. Only Apple's ARM designs have cutting edge performance. Everyone else (Qualcomm, Samsung, etc) uses stock, or nearly stock, ARM designs off-the-shelf that, performance-wise, aren't at all competitive with AMD/Intel. I'd love a Surface Pro with an M1/M2 chip, but the Qualcomm ARM chips ar…

I suspect, based on almost nothing, a vibe perhaps, that this will be an iteration of the Denver core. Previous versions have not been amazing on power iirc, I don’t think they got major design wins with it. I think at one point (2010 ish?) they considered an x86 processor based on this core as well. How much it remains a dynamic recompilation based “software isa” that could be x86 or arm or risc-v I have no idea.

Re: Nvidia to make Arm-based PC chips in major new challenge to Intel

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Post by MikusR »

phh wrote: post #31

Well, I have the first model of laptops using nVidia Arm chip, it's called Toshiba AC100, and rocked a nVidia Tegra 2 in 2010. It launched with Android, but I helped put GNU/Linux on it (got my first mainline author-ship with it), and daily drove it for a year at university (back then not everyone had laptops) It was a hell of a device, and to this day I'm still missing anything close to it. 10 inch, 900g, 10 hour ba…

I had tegra 2 tablet. Couldn't play video my year older phone could. Also didn't have NEON so was stuck using old versions of everything.

Re: Nvidia to make Arm-based PC chips in major new challenge to Intel

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Post by MikusR »

zokier wrote: post #48
MenhirMike wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Advanced Micro Devices (AMD.O) also plans to make chips for PCs with Arm technology Technically, the Platform Security Processor that's integrated in most (all?) Zen CPUs is already an ARM chip, though I guess that they mean actual general purpose CPUs.

AMD has long history of ARM chips already, some examples: https://www.anandtech.com/show/7724/it-begins-amd-announces-... https://www.anandtech.com/show/7990/amd-announces-k12-core-c...

None of that was released.

Re: Nvidia to make Arm-based PC chips in major new challenge to Intel

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Post by brucethemoose2 »

tjpnz wrote: post #78
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #19

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We can get that with x86. We just don't, because it's cheaper to clock the chips higher and burn more power, and to keep large graphics seperate from the CPU. Intel's/AMD's attempts at addressing this (Broadwell/Skylake with eDRAM, Vega M, AMD's Van Gogh and Dragon Crest) were universally shot down by laptop OEMs. I don't know why, but they were probably just being cheap.

Van Gogh is in the Steam Deck.

Yeah, but a little late, and the successor was seemingly canceled.

Re: Nvidia to make Arm-based PC chips in major new challenge to Intel

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MikusR wrote: post #92
phh wrote: post #31

Well, I have the first model of laptops using nVidia Arm chip, it's called Toshiba AC100, and rocked a nVidia Tegra 2 in 2010. It launched with Android, but I helped put GNU/Linux on it (got my first mainline author-ship with it), and daily drove it for a year at university (back then not everyone had laptops) It was a hell of a device, and to this day I'm still missing anything close to it. 10 inch, 900g, 10 hour ba…

I had tegra 2 tablet. Couldn't play video my year older phone could. Also didn't have NEON so was stuck using old versions of everything.

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Re: Nvidia to make Arm-based PC chips in major new challenge to Intel

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Post by pjmlp »

dboreham wrote: post #35
pjmlp wrote: post #11

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First step is convincing Windows development community that Windows on ARM actually matters. Until then, whatever Apple has over 80% of the worldwide desktop market hardly matters. And after how UWP was managed, there aren't that many that care.

Not so much an issue now: fewer native apps left, and current x86 emulation is great.

Yet you don't see anyone rushing to buy Windows ARM laptops.

Re: Nvidia to make Arm-based PC chips in major new challenge to Intel

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Post by delfinom »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #75
smoldesu wrote: post #73

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Anticipation of what? Microsoft has "supported" ARM as far back as Windows RT, but developers and integrators don't care. The hardware didn't (and still doesn't) sell, and every usable core design is either from the stone age or completely proprietary. Somehow, x86 SOCs are easier to iterate on. Dotnet supports Apple Silicon for the same reason it supports AArch64-Linux; it's a real user platform. Windows-on-ARM is r…

> Anticipation of what? > it won't get the attention it needs until attractive hardware is ready to ship. Dunno what to say! Windows RT is the perfect example; software was not ready, and is still not It's only been 11 months that Visual Studio can run on ARM

>It's only been 11 months that Visual Studio can run on ARM

It's only been 3 years since Visual Studio runs in 64-bit on x86 ;)

I think the biggest holdback for VS with ARM was there were no good build boxes out there. With VS for ARM, Microsoft released their own ARM dev kit hardware loaded with 32gigs of ram and a snapdragon 8cx. Anyone else selling ARM hardware for Windows skimps with like 4g of ram.

VS could however crosscompile to ARM32 and later ARM64 for quite awhile.

Re: Nvidia to make Arm-based PC chips in major new challenge to Intel

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Post by smoldesu »

delfinom wrote: post #98
WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anticipation of what? > it won't get the attention it needs until attractive hardware is ready to ship. Dunno what to say! Windows RT is the perfect example; software was not ready, and is still not It's only been 11 months that Visual Studio can run on ARM

>It's only been 11 months that Visual Studio can run on ARM It's only been 3 years since Visual Studio runs in 64-bit on x86 ;) I think the biggest holdback for VS with ARM was there were no good build boxes out there. With VS for ARM, Microsoft released their own ARM dev kit hardware loaded with 32gigs of ram and a snapdragon 8cx. Anyone else selling ARM hardware for Windows skimps with like 4g of ram. VS could howe…

Dotnet Core and Mono both supported AArch64 targets long before Apple Silicon existed, too. I think characterizing Microsoft as "lazy" in regards to RISC is wrong from a pragmatic point-of-view.
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