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Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by upupupandaway »

fsloth wrote: post #31
pavlov wrote: post #27

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I had an N700 too. Nokia would be in exactly the same place today if their iPhone competitor had been that platform augmented by 3G phone capabilities. It was a finicky Linux GUI on a resistive screen, conceptually closer to Windows Mobile and Symbian touchscreen devices (like the SonyEricsson phones) than any modern platforms. Android would have still beaten Nokia to a usable iPhone clone/competitor.

N700 was underwhelming. N950 was a complete badass in all the ways it was not and in a bette world we would have a vibrant ecosystem on N950 successors. Sadly is was not to be.

The OS lives on: https://sailfishos.org/

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by user_named »

remus wrote: post #73
lifeinthevoid wrote: post #45

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I'm so tired of seeing these comments where people assume they can accurately assess how many employees companies are supposed to have ...

Personally I read it a little differently, more along the lines of "I didn't realise Nokia was that big! Are they involved in other sectors I don't know about?"

Within the context of HN that is 100% the wrong way to read it

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by sofixa »

expertentipp wrote: post #60
quickthrower2 wrote: post #53

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Corollary: levels.fyi style dev salaries in the US make no sense

Asking in Europe anything higher than 60% of what levels.fyi claims for any publicly traded company guarantees not receiving an offer. Funny because our public services and healthcare are the same dysfunctional as in US, only in different ways.

> Funny because our public services and healthcare are the same dysfunctional as in US, only in different ways.

The same, or different? There's various levels of dysfunction depending on the country, but outcomes are better and there is zero risk of life crippling debt. Anyone not a multi-millionaire who could afford the best private care would take that deal any day of the week.

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by m00dy »

dagw wrote: post #24
m00dy wrote: post #22

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Is Nokia still a Finnish company ?

Nokia has always been a Finnish company. They've just licensed their name out (via a daughter company) for use on phones now.

I thought Microsoft bought it long time ago and it became US company then. But, I think it is not the case anymore.

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by user_named »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #4

Is this the normal course of things? "We are now beginning the process of consultation on initial reductions." I'm not in the know.. but it comes off as if they have no idea what they're doing. You'd think you'd decide who you are gunna lay off before announcing it..? And they will be laying people off for two years straight? Seems like it'd just tank the moral of the whole place. I thought companies generally rip th…

What an ignorant, obnoxious comment

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by dagw »

m00dy wrote: post #96
dagw wrote: post #24

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Nokia has always been a Finnish company. They've just licensed their name out (via a daughter company) for use on phones now.

I thought Microsoft bought it long time ago and it became US company then. But, I think it is not the case anymore.

Microsoft didn't buy Nokia the company, despite what a lot of journalists made it sound like at the time. They bought Nokia's mobile phone division and related businesses. With the purchase they also got 10-year exclusive right to use the Nokia name on phones.

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by cinntaile »

remus wrote: post #73
lifeinthevoid wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm so tired of seeing these comments where people assume they can accurately assess how many employees companies are supposed to have ...

Personally I read it a little differently, more along the lines of "I didn't realise Nokia was that big! Are they involved in other sectors I don't know about?"

This is correct. All I know them from is their mobile phone business, which is all but gone nowadays. The Nokia brand lives on through HMD Global so I figured Nokia itself must do a ton of other stuff. I got a few replies with what they do nowadays, thanks!

Re: Nokia to axe up to 14,000 jobs to cut costs

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Post by jillesvangurp »

upupupandaway wrote: post #88
jillesvangurp wrote: post #33

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You and loads of other people in Nokia. Including me. The N800 actually had a silly webcam and skype running on the device. And Google used it to dual boot early versions of Android on it. This was before they had the first nexus phone to work with. The only thing it lacked (on purpose) was phone functionality. They were just stubbornly betting the company on Symbian and never committed properly to making a flagship…

Now it's easy to see the Windows Phone as a dumb decision, but for us insiders at the time it was a bit of a desperate situation as there was no solution in 4-5 years given the absolute zoo of frameworks that took over the company. I remember being told by my VP that Anssi Vanjoki cried when the OS+Framework+Hardware situation was clearly demoed to the leadership. He knew it was over.

Anssi Vanjoki was the one that strangled the software strategy and created that mess. First by flogging the dead horse that was Symbian for way too long. And secondly by frustrating the Maemo/Meego strategy for something like seven years. And indeed failing to provide adequate leadership when it came to managing internal UI platforms.

Windows phone was a risky decision and they literally bet the company on it and then MS got all hand wavy about doing an update and then took their sweet time doing that update while Nokia basically died. The whole strategy could have worked but it would have required Microsoft to be way less flaky. And of course having outsourced the future of the company to them, Nokia no longer was in control of their own future. Which was an expensive mistake for Nokia share holders.

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