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Scientists discover links between Alzheimer's disease and gut microbiota

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Re: Scientists discover links between Alzheimer's disease and gut microbiota

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chiefalchemist wrote: post #77
bagels wrote: post #29

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What does processed even mean? Unless I run out in the field and bite a cow, that meat is going to be processed. Likewise with potatoes, I'm going to be eating unpalatable starchy uncooked potatoes.

In 2023 it means... An apple...not processed. An ear of corn...not processed. Oatmeal...not processed. Frozen peas...not processed. Breakfast cereal...processed. Heat & serve meals in the frozen section...processed. Yogurt with fruit (and tons of sugar) pre-added...processed. Soft drinks...processed. Kid's "Happy Meal"...processed. And so on. Btw, Slaughtered and butchered meats !== processed meats. Recommened book:…

Generally, if you buy it on the perimeter of the grocery store, and it has a relatively short shelf-life, it's not processed.

Re: Scientists discover links between Alzheimer's disease and gut microbiota

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

jononomo wrote: post #90

I would bet that the root of both is diet. A diet that leads to Alzheimers will result in a certain kind of gut microbiota. I would guess that sugar and carbs generally, along with fiber, are the problem.

There's a lot of athletes and sportspeople that wouldn't mind an extra test to see if the carbs works out: especially as many of them really keep the fat levels down when athleting.

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Post by Beestie »

mobilejdral wrote: post #2

I had to triple check the date because I was pretty sure that this was known before. Maybe it is simply the confirmation aspect of it? Edit: > Our findings reveal for the first time, that Alzheimer’s symptoms can be transferred to a healthy young organism via the gut microbiota, *confirming a causal role* of gut microbiota in Alzheimer’s disease ... From: https://faculty.sites.uci.edu/kimgreen/bio/glucocorticoids-a..…

Japan researchers have know about this for years. I don't know if Japan makes a big deal about publishing their findings but I watched a documentary several years ago which that went into very specific detail about the relationship between specific gut bacteria and Alzheimers. No disrespect to King's College - perhaps there is no overlap but this is more of an advancement than it is a breakthrough.

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notamy wrote: post #46
scubadude wrote: post #35

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How can you possibly measure inflammation much less attribute it to a single variable?

> How can you possibly measure inflammation There’s a number of inflammation markers in the blood that can be measured directly via lab test (cRP, ESR, blood cell counts, ...).

Exactly this, I get regular blood work. On top of that, I can feel the inflammation. It is pressure, or warmth. It's a very obvious bodily reaction. Now of course for the average immune system the effects would be more subtle, but could still be noticed in energy levels, focus/attention, etc. And even if not noticeable, low-grade inflammation long term is one of the main factors of age-related decline.

As for attributing a body's reaction to a single food, there's something called the elimination diet where one isolates the variables one at a time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elimination_diet?wprov=sfla1

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tapanjk wrote: post #49
datameta wrote: post #10

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Fatty fish, most nuts (that don't have high omega-6, which is inflammatory), fruits high in antioxidants like berries and dark fruit in general, colorful vegetable, cooking with olive/avocado/sunflower oil, *kefir* which is the champion of all good microbiota inducers As for avoiding : red meat (high in omega-6), gluten (chickpea, rice, lentil pasta instead of wheat), cooking with hydrogenated oils, preservatives, pr…

Among inflammatory substances, alcohol is the elephant in the room. Cutting out alcohol is the lowest hanging fruit in this garden. Unfortunately, people convince themselves that it is perfectly healthy when consumed in small quantities every day. Anybody who monitors their health/fitness parameters with a smart watch will notice how damaging alcohol is.

Yes, 100%. At some point I started to feel negative bodily reaction from a single beer. I also quit smoking cigarettes for the same reason.

Re: Scientists discover links between Alzheimer's disease and gut microbiota

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ffgjgf1 wrote: post #81
datameta wrote: post #10

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Fatty fish, most nuts (that don't have high omega-6, which is inflammatory), fruits high in antioxidants like berries and dark fruit in general, colorful vegetable, cooking with olive/avocado/sunflower oil, *kefir* which is the champion of all good microbiota inducers As for avoiding : red meat (high in omega-6), gluten (chickpea, rice, lentil pasta instead of wheat), cooking with hydrogenated oils, preservatives, pr…

Most of this is conjecture though and should taken with a huge grain of salt (if we’re focusing on Alzheimers specifically)

If we're focusing on effects of diet on immune systems, especially those not functioning nominally, it is quite readily available information now. Was not so half a decade ago. The immune system is affected strongly by gut microbiota health, therefore it is a solid base to assume the same applies dietary considerations apply for Alzheimer's.

I'm going to plug a health model rapidly gaining mainstream acceptance by healthcare providers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopsychosocial_model?wprov=sf... It posits that all factors of life are important for overall good health. The TL;DR is that one needs to consider diet, exercise, socialization, hobbies, etc in addition to whatever medication regimen is helping.

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