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Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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The real question would be why anyone cares about empty mission statements like this anyway? Parsing them for meaning is nearly as useful as parsing your morning bowel movement to predict your day.

A younger, more naive version of myself believed corporate slogans like, "Don't be evil" Cynical takes like yours are accurate in the descriptive sense. They are useful for describing and predicting outcomes. Ideals are typically prescriptive. They call us to improve upon what is. The two concepts are not incompatible, but for many they are seemingly contradictory. People care because they have ideals. Perhaps they c…

I don't see that OPs take as cynical, just realistic. Time and time again, companies, especially major ones have shown that they will always prioritize making money over everything else. The sooner people accept this, the better.

People have ideals, companies do not. The people employed by those companies have ideals but its beyond foolish to think that those ideals would be prioritized over profit.

Businesses don't have a conscience, people do, but that doesn't mean that the business will do the right thing. Sure, the ideals of the person and the ones the company reports can match up, but it's only through luck and not out of a sense of the greater good.

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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My health insurance makes people money, but I don't love my health insurance.

try not having health insurance... and you'll realize how much you'll love it

It would be a mistake to conflate being glad not to owe $250k in medical costs with loving the system that perpetuates bills of that nature in the first place.

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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I get why the AI community is disappointed in OpenAI and skeptical of WorldCoin.

But what if they are right on AGI - it's here, soon.

If there is going to be a winner in the 'AI race', doesn't society want the company that 'wins' to have values similar to OpenAI's stated values?

OpenAI's competitors (Google, Anthropic, etc) are for-profit organizations, their values are shareholder profits.

Now I'm not arguing OpenAI will perfectly implement their stated goals. I'm sure it'll get messy.

But all things being equal, we know the for-profit guys will accrue profits at the expense of society, and OpenAI has stated the opposite.

Is there anyone else more credible offering better ideas?

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Did I miss something? Since when is capital drying up in AI?

And since when the "open" models are as good as gpt4...

Sounds like wishful thinking. I wish it was true too, but it isn’t. Or is there one reliable source which has valid benchmarks showing that they are similar? Most benchmarks I’ve seen appear cherry-picked (as is the case in ML for years already. Be skeptical of benchmarks).

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Given that it's still Sam Altman, and his core value are "we market towards what will make us money", not all that different. The term "AI" has run its course, initially pulling in capital left and right, and that's drying up now that open source can do what the big boys came up with, too. So: rename the work to AGI, start a new hype train, and get the capital streams flowing anew.

Could you qualify these two assertions: - AI investment is drying up - FOSS AI is competitive with proprietary providers From what I understand, AI grifting and investing has only just begun, and open source AI tools aren't on par with what Open AI is offering.

If we look at crypto as the last VC/SoftBank/Saudi fund etc. trend we should get hundreds of billions invested in the next 10 years. Very much too early to call anything

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

try not having health insurance... and you'll realize how much you'll love it

It would be a mistake to conflate being glad not to owe $250k in medical costs with loving the system that perpetuates bills of that nature in the first place.

I love your business of not shooting me in my driveway. I’ll gladly pay $1000 a month for that! I’m in love!

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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post #81

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try not having health insurance... and you'll realize how much you'll love it

It would be a mistake to conflate being glad not to owe $250k in medical costs with loving the system that perpetuates bills of that nature in the first place.

That can be said of any product.

If the system had given me a personal chef, I don't need to go to fancy restaurants

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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Sorry, you need to get off the internet if you think that the simplest explanation is that an AI singularity is right around the corner. Gwern, Bostrom, Yudkowski et. al. are terrific sci-fi writers, but I’d advise against taking them too seriously.

How about Geoff Hinton? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65452940

or (also) Yoshua Bengio? https://yoshuabengio.org/2023/05/22/how-rogue-ais-may-arise/ https://yoshuabengio.org/2023/06/24/faq-on-catastrophic-ai-r...

unfortunately for parent comment, categorizing something as sci-fi doesn't make it so

Re: OpenAI just replaced its core values with completely different ones

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post #42

The are now part of the borg collective, Microsoft. OpenAI, LinkedIn, Activision Blizzard King, GitHub... many worlds have fallen to the borg.

What will become of their technological distinctiveness?

MS seems to be pretty hands off with all the aforementioned companies
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