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?? You have to grant an app access to your car via the API with your own Tesla.com oauth creds.
Will it work without Tesla.com account? Or no internet access at all? I just want to drive the Tesla car without internet without any smart features. Is that possible?
You do need an account with Tesla to buy a new one though.
*and PIN if applicable
Free trial. Tesla APIs are temporarily free during this trial period. Oof. I wonder if this is one more reason Tesla vehicles have gotten cheaper and cheaper. Elon's probably betting on how much companies would pay for access to APIs and thus user data, and gain income to Tesla on top of simply profit margin on the vehicle itself. Much like he's doing at X. I wouldn't be that surprised to see Tesla data become a majo…
> Elon's probably betting on how much other people would pay for access to APIs and thus user data, and gain income on top of simply profit margin on the vehicle itself. Tesla doesn't expect end users to use this API. This is meant for fleets (like rental companies).
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?? You have to grant an app access to your car via the API with your own Tesla.com oauth creds.
Will it work without Tesla.com account? Or no internet access at all? I just want to drive the Tesla car without internet without any smart features. Is that possible?
I take it as a sign of the current state of hackernews that nearly no one took the time to actually RTFA. This isnt about making apps that run on the car, this is about being able to integrate your external apps with the fleet API. Like, can external app that has permission would be able to locate the vehicle. That said, I think the security implications are fairly important, since I expect one of the exposed feature…
Fwiw Tesla's has been the best to work with in my limited experience. Ford's is also decent but the most important remote commands (like start/stop charging) seem to be hidden behind obfuscated endpoints. I spent quite some days trying to reverse engineer them but ultimately gave up.
Given the state of the Twitter API post-Elon, I'd be incredibly unlikely to rely on this unless I have a business contract directly with Tesla with appropriate penalties if my app / access were to be revoked.
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> Also, like Apple devices, I assume Tesla will have master control over the cars in the same way and can brick them if needed. They’ve done this in the past a few times haven’t they? Like when people have done battery swaps or refurbs without Tesla’s approval?
I don't think they have bricked peoples cars directly... They just take away the ability to do supercharging and to use the app. Basically, your smart car becomes a dumb car. But you can still drive it - you just can't use any service that requires their servers.
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> Elon's probably betting on how much other people would pay for access to APIs and thus user data, and gain income on top of simply profit margin on the vehicle itself. Tesla doesn't expect end users to use this API. This is meant for fleets (like rental companies).
I feel like you are trying to say that you believe this comment to mean that they might try to sell access to the user data acquired from API usage, but I'm pretty sure the connection "and thus" is equating the APIs with user data, as companies paying for access to these APIs is--similar to having access to Facebook's APIs--giving them access to the user data that is accessible via those APIs.
What I'm trying to say is that this is unrelated to regular folks' cars. For this you need to manually authorize access to your car, and then they can do things like unlock the doors[1]. It's meant for rental agencies and such. Not to scrap data of any Tesla owner (like Twitter Firehose)
The most important question: Can I use the car as intended without dealing with the vendor (Tesla)? If not => it's a service, not a product.
But yes, if you are fine with not using Superchargers (which would be insane) or the built-in internet then you don't need to deal with the vendor after purchasing the car.
I'm calling for Tesla to open source all the code running onboard it's vehicles. Consumers have the right to understand how their machines work. Elon, you built an empire off the backs of open source developers. Give back.
Free trial. Tesla APIs are temporarily free during this trial period. Oof. I wonder if this is one more reason Tesla vehicles have gotten cheaper and cheaper. Elon's probably betting on how much companies would pay for access to APIs and thus user data, and gain income to Tesla on top of simply profit margin on the vehicle itself. Much like he's doing at X. I wouldn't be that surprised to see Tesla data become a majo…