I almost bought Kagi. Initially I wanted Universal Summarizer. Then I realized I could install Edge browser (which is essentially Google-free Chrome) and the integrated, free GPT-4 would summarize for me. And I still haven’t had an “ah ha” moment comparing Kagi’s search results. I’m happy to keep trying for free next month, or whenever my free trial searches reset, until I’m sold on the value.
Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
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Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
#92I've switched over to Kagi as it was announced myself. However lately, I've found that it started sucking a lot more when it comes to localised search. I am actually not seeing the value and quality I've seen early on, and will likely stop paying for it as I increasingly do have to fall back to Google.
My unsourced theory is that they’ve optimized getting their search costs down, at the expense of some edge cases that don’t show up in their KPIs.
I’m still a satisfied customer, the product makes me two Starbucks coffees a month happier than I would be still using Google for everything.
Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
#93Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Aren't your Kagi searches tied to a payment method? That it doesn't exploit you in every way possible is commendable, but stating that it "solves the privacy issues" is a long stretch.
> Aren't your Kagi searches tied to a payment method? Kagi accepts Bitcoin [1]. They also “do not log searches or in any way tie them to an account” [2]. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/payment-methods.html [2] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-protection.html
So you essentially have to make the same leap of faith as you would with a commercial VPN.
Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
#95I really can't make clear enough how good Kagi is. I've tried all the competing emerging search engines as they've had their 5 minutes of fame. They don't compare to kagi. it's the first google rip and replace I've ever tried. Pony up the $10 a month and put your money where your mouth is on "let's pay for products instead of being sold to advertisers."
Narrator: They won't. I upgraded my subscription a few weeks ago because I blew past the first tier's limits. Kagi kinda fills the Neeva-sized hole in my heart.
Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Aren't your Kagi searches tied to a payment method? Kagi accepts Bitcoin [1]. They also “do not log searches or in any way tie them to an account” [2]. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/payment-methods.html [2] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-protection.html
Hmm, and apparently you can also ask it to block shit like pinterest from your search results?
Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Aren't your Kagi searches tied to a payment method? Kagi accepts Bitcoin [1]. They also “do not log searches or in any way tie them to an account” [2]. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/payment-methods.html [2] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-protection.html
Hmm, and apparently you can also ask it to block shit like pinterest from your search results?
Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
#98Looking forward to the inevitable "Kagi sells user data" investigative report. The simple truth is that unless they make themselves explicitly liable to users if they are ever caught doing this, that the irresistable urge to monetize user data will tempt even the most well-meaning firm into sin. The ONLY solution is to make 'sinning' an existential threat to the firm. IANAL but I believe this can be done if ownership…
> Looking forward to the inevitable "Kagi sells user data" investigative report. Who would they sell the data to? Google? Ohhhh noooooo... More seriously, as long as it's paired with a "But their search results are still better than Google's trashfire", I'm not sure it would matter. Their tagline is "Fast, accurate, and ad-free", not "Fast, accurate, ad-free, and private."
"We care about data protection: We will be good stewards of any personal information you share with us. We do not log or associate searches with an account. More at our privacy policy."
literally on the main page. Smh.
Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
#99Ask HN: How to Pronounce Kagi? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37616169 - Sept 2023 (12 comments)
Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37603905 - Sept 2023 (944 comments)
Kagi search is 6 times faster than Google - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37588686 - Sept 2023 (5 comments)
Kagi Small Web - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37420281 - Sept 2023 (185 comments)
Ask HN: Is paid search-engine model like Kagi viable? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37374900 - Sept 2023 (22 comments)
Kagi Search Stats - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37315961 - Aug 2023 (55 comments)
Kagi Number of Users and Searches Stats - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37313141 - Aug 2023 (6 comments)
Ask HN: How can Kagi be so fast and customizable? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37065082 - Aug 2023 (15 comments)
Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37006082 - Aug 2023 (485 comments)
Kagi: Words You Cannot Use: 'Constitutional AI', 'Anthropic', 'Anthropic, PBC' - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36741153 - July 2023 (51 comments)
Kagi raises $670k - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36517149 - June 2023 (359 comments)
Updates to Kagi pricing plans – More searches, unrestricted AI tools - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36040346 - May 2023 (77 comments)
Enhancements to the Kagi Search Experience - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35809082 - May 2023 (163 comments)
Important Clarifications and Apology Regarding Kagis' Pricing Update - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35149788 - March 2023 (10 comments)
Kagi – Paid Search Engine - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34179949 - Dec 2022 (166 comments)
The Age of PageRank Is Over - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33537513 - Nov 2022 (373 comments)
Kagi/Orion status update: First three months - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32676993 - Sept 2022 (191 comments)
Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31584791 - June 2022 (201 comments)
Kagi: A Premium Search Engine - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29835756 - Jan 2022 (221 comments)
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Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest
#100I really can't make clear enough how good Kagi is. I've tried all the competing emerging search engines as they've had their 5 minutes of fame. They don't compare to kagi. it's the first google rip and replace I've ever tried. Pony up the $10 a month and put your money where your mouth is on "let's pay for products instead of being sold to advertisers."