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Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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Please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN. They're not what this site is for, and destroy what it is for. You can always make your substantive points without them, so please do that instead.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37850384.

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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post #12

I know we're not supposed to editorialize the titles, but this one really buries the lede.

Suggested alternatives: "Microsoft on the Issues Blog – An update on our IRS tax audit" Or: Microsoft SEC 8-K: "IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $28.9 billion" (I've emailed mods to suggest these.)

OK, I've put the latter above.

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That tax break "Double Irish Dutch Sandwich" is being phased out. It involves both those countries with one of the Irish companies managed out of Bermuda. It has shifted to other schemes now. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement

What other schemes?

Nice try, FBI.

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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post #87
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That money should be divided among the American taxpayers and not siphoned off by bureaucratic ghouls and the military industrial complex

Everyone gets about 100 dollars.

Who doesn't want $100?

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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Going back almost 20 years has got to be painful. I doubt half of the people involved are even still at the company.

Microsoft has more careerists than most other tech companies. I bet plenty of the key figures are still at the company.

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

#96

  > Not reflected in the proposed adjustments are taxes paid by Microsoft under the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), which could decrease the final tax owed under the audit by up to $10 billion. 
So even by Microsoft's own admission they owe around $20B (instead of $30B) which they "forgot" to pay.

I 100% believe that it was a good faith mistake, and it still is.

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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This spells bad news for "MICROSOFT B.V.", the famous Dutch software company that has reported being responsible for billions of revenue of the Microsoft Corporation over those years.

Is it? These companies and that specific structure involves paying the IRS off in “Advance Pricing Agreements” where they tell the IRS how they won’t pay taxes and the IRS signs off on it

All they have to do is find the agreement

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

#98

This spells bad news for "MICROSOFT B.V.", the famous Dutch software company that has reported being responsible for billions of revenue of the Microsoft Corporation over those years.

Apple and others are working to explain how the majority of app and hardware sales have a nexus in Ireland. But wait til you hear of Ugland House ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugland_House ) in the Caymans - 10,000 sq ft, 5 stories... ... and registered offices of 42,000 companies.

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Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone gets about 100 dollars.

Who doesn't want $100?

I guess I'd take it, it's just going to sit in my bank. With 28billion, idk build a train or something, or place fiber, staff the borders better, build someone more telescopes

Re: Microsoft SEC 8-K: IRS is seeking an additional tax payment of $29B

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“Many large multinationals use cost-sharing because it reflects the global nature of their business.” A comparable example might be Apple, where sales of my (american) app being sold from (american) servers somehow curiously involves the Republic of Ireland and their low corporate tax rates…

It's simple enough, an Irish company called Apple licenses its very valuable IP to its entities in cheaper countries so they can do things like manufacturing, server farms, customer support. (It also carries on these some of these functions in Ireland, as it happens, and pays a ton of tax at the relatively high income tax rates there.) It's frankly curious to me when a multinational chooses to base itself anywhere le…

There are limits in place that prevent these ip schemes these days.
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