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Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

#91
Missing an important bullet point:

* Sleep deprivation reduces immune system function.

I was surprised when none of the gov advice during covid included "improve your sleep", because that's one of the best ways to strengthen your immune system, reduce your chances of contracting illnesses, and improve your chances of a fast and complication free recovery.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

#92
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I'm highly skeptical concerning the claimed 'effects' of lack of sleep. I don't doubt those are correlated with lack of sleep, but for many of them, obvious confounding factors exist. As a trivial example, overworked people typically get less sleep than average folks. And excessive work is also correlated with several of the 'effects' from the list, such as "fatigued and demotivated" and "lower libido". This means th…

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Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

#93
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I'd wager most people here who don't get enough sleep aren't doing so out of some sort of grindset mentality, but because they simply cannot. I find it very hard to fall asleep, nearly impossible to sleep in (a consequence of getting older?), and more interrupted sleep. I'm reticent to try drugs to enable sleep because I've heard that the sleep they provide is not true sleep.

You may want to consider a short course of sleep aids to see if it can help adjust your schedule. This is unscientific, but I’ve found that if I’m dealing with persistent insomnia, taking something to help me fall asleep when I want to can lead me to “readjust” to the new schedule. I used this the most when traveling and dealing with jet lag, but I still occasionally find it useful to take an OTC sleep aid when my sc…

That's what I do when I can't sleep. I "give up" trying to sleep and do something for a hour or two. Then I go through the usual prebed ritual.

This gives me more attempts at sleep. Better to have more opportunities then fewer.

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#94

Resonates with anyone that has had children. Biggest impact for both my wife and I was overall sleep quality/quantity and sacrificing sleep for a modicum of personal time at the end of the day.

My wife still manages 12+ hours per day - I get about 4-6. She wonders why I am gradually becoming irrationally irritable, as in her view being overtired is something that is easily controlled. Easily said when you get to sleep in to 1pm or later every day. I find myself picking fights with anyone and everyone, even inanimate objects. I know it’s crazy. We don’t have time together any more - I just fall asleep the mo…

If she gets to sleep through the night, she gets to wake early and take care of the child while you get a few hours uninterrupted sleep. Sleep is as important for your mental health and longevity as exercise is for your physical health and longevity.

I am a heavy sleeper too, so the agreement my wife and I had, was that she attend her son at night, he needed to be breastfed anyway, while I got to sleep. Then I was up at an ungodly early time and took care of my son while she could get some uninterrupted sleep. We did this for both of our children.

Her being pregnant is not an argument in favour of you having to do everything at night. Perhaps in the first few weeks while she recover, but after that, it's shared in a reasonable way. She does not get to dictate, but in unison you get to find a happy compromise, which includes enough sleep at regular intervals for both of you.

If you are willing to listen, listen to this: You are well on your way to a roommate situation, the first and biggest step towards a divorce. If you do not correct that course, both of you, that is with all likelihood what will happen. This path of a little bit of resentment many times, is a relationship killer.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

#95

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We have 3 kids and it was never as hard as you're describing, so that probably has something to do with people wanting to have more than one kid. I don't want to overstep, but you guys are doing it wrong. Your wife sleeping 12 hours doesn't sound right to me. We took shifts, but my wife was going to bed very early (9pm) and waking up around 5 or 6pm and then I'd sleep. She did this so we had a solution that worked fo…

I dunno - single parents manage it somehow. Probably doesn’t help that we live off-grid in total isolation, in a country where childminding doesn’t really exist, as most folks here have multi-generational households, so there’s no demand.

We didn't have nearby family either so can understand how hard that is. Good news is it should start getting easier soon. Good luck man and demand some help if you're absolutely at your breaking point. Everyone needs sleep.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

#96
The post is mostly covering "mind" and "metabolic" things, but the effect extends to "body" things:

- more likely to avoid hurtful situations (lower attention, zone out events, micro sleep events, reflexes diminished).

- more likely to hurt yourself when such accidents occur

- once hurt, physical recovery is severely hampered

Car accidents are the obvious ones here but it extends to simple things like accidental cuts with knives, slipping in the tub, or sprained ankles or knees just walking down stairs or curbs.

And some other "mind" and "metabolic" things:

- immune system effectiveness plummets, so more chances to get sick

- REM deprivation causes neuronal death

- long term, leads to anxiety, false memories, paranoia, hallucinations, and psychosis (been there, done that; not a good place to be)

We all know that water is essential to not dying, but sleep appears to be on equal footing (3 days without either and you're in catastrophic states), maybe even more important (the - sad - record of a human surviving without water is 18 days, for sleep it's 10)

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

#97
post #7

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Physical labor. Or exercise. If you push yourself to the point where you're physically tired, you'll sleep like a rock. If it doesn't, you're either not pushing hard enough or you ought to see a doctor.

Heavy exercise, like lifting weights after work(5PM), makes me fall asleep eve harder. I can still feel the adrenaline and elevated heart rate and body temperature that just makes it even more difficult to fall asleep so I have no idea how people who go to the gym at 9PM manage to fall asleep. I wish I knew their secret or had their genetics. Lighter exercises that don't stress the body, like long walks and yoga are…

Heavy exercise should be avoided in the evening, it's best to do it early in the morning or during your lunch break if you can.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

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It's not just phones, it's the light. Consider turning lights off as much as possible 1-2 hours before bed.

Definitely. I live in an area with a lot of light pollution, so much so that even when it's supposed to be full dark, there's enough ambient light outside that it's more like "late evening" at best. I find that any time I'm away from home, I actually sleep better because there's no extreme light pollution keeping me up.

Put up black-out curtains on your windows.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

#99

Resonates with anyone that has had children. Biggest impact for both my wife and I was overall sleep quality/quantity and sacrificing sleep for a modicum of personal time at the end of the day.

My wife still manages 12+ hours per day - I get about 4-6. She wonders why I am gradually becoming irrationally irritable, as in her view being overtired is something that is easily controlled. Easily said when you get to sleep in to 1pm or later every day. I find myself picking fights with anyone and everyone, even inanimate objects. I know it’s crazy. We don’t have time together any more - I just fall asleep the mo…

Well the sleep deprivation stage doesn't last that long (although it seems long when going through it) for most babies.

And in terms of one child, your brain (and evolution) does a great job at helping you forget and filter out only the positive experiences of a newborn.

Plus once you've had one, you don't stress nearly as much about the subsequent ones which taxes your brain a lot less. You don't feel quite so exhausted by it and you know it doesn't last forver.

Re: Impacts of lack of sleep

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife still manages 12+ hours per day - I get about 4-6. She wonders why I am gradually becoming irrationally irritable, as in her view being overtired is something that is easily controlled. Easily said when you get to sleep in to 1pm or later every day. I find myself picking fights with anyone and everyone, even inanimate objects. I know it’s crazy. We don’t have time together any more - I just fall asleep the mo…

We have 3 kids and it was never as hard as you're describing, so that probably has something to do with people wanting to have more than one kid. I don't want to overstep, but you guys are doing it wrong. Your wife sleeping 12 hours doesn't sound right to me. We took shifts, but my wife was going to bed very early (9pm) and waking up around 5 or 6pm and then I'd sleep. She did this so we had a solution that worked fo…

Meh.. couples just need to find what works for them. There is no one right approach.

I did nights for all my kids. Unlike my partner, I can fall asleep almost instantly, no matter when I'm woken up. My partner, if woken up at 3am, is up for the rest of the night.

So I did nights. Wake up, feed, change diaper, rock back to bed, fall asleep right away, then rinse and repeat 2 more times at 2-3 hr internals.

Though I was sleep deprived, it wasn't that bad and still went to work each day. My partner had the kid during the day, and it just worked for us.

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