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Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by cdogl »

g232089 wrote: post #28
archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

That the Nobel Peace Prize is not a serious award should have been evident when Obama won it.

“When Kissinger won the Nobel peace prize, satire died” - Tom Lehrer, long ago

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by nine_k »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #72
nine_k wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder.why a Peace Prize should ever go to anyone for fighting , even if the fighting is for a patently just cause. There should be a different prize, or at least a different name for it. But this ship has sailed, apparently. OTOH it's really understandable that many people value fighting for a just cause higher than peace. The easiest way to peace is often to just surrender, and have peace on the terms of an evil…

"The Nobel Prize For Doing Nothing In The Face Of An Oppressor And Calling That Peace" has far too many candidates for them to be able to pick a winner.

Indeed.

I'd say that the way Dalai Lama or MLK or even Mahatma Gandhi fought for their causes is rather different from the way Nelson Mandela or Abraham Lincoln fought for their causes. In either case, the cause was just and noble, and sometimes even the same.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by no-reply »

ReptileMan wrote: post #14
michaeltimo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Since World War II, the Peace Prize has principally been awarded to honour efforts in four main areas: arms control and disarmament, peace negotiation, democracy and human rights, and work aimed at creating a better organized and more peaceful world. In the 21st century the Nobel Committee has embraced efforts to limit the harm done by man-made climate change and threats to the environment as relevant to the Peace P…

But the world is just as peaceful (or peaceless) as before her activism. Now if she actually overthrew or forced the government to reform - it would be different. But award should be given for results not efforts.

On the basis of effort, we could probably hand out awards to a large number of dead people

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by AnonCoward42 »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #85
archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

This is because civil rights are a Western ideology. They certainly didn't come from ISIS' views on women. Nor from Russia and China, who supported them. Snowden defected to Russia, see above about supporting ISIS. Assange and Manning's exposure literally cost the lives of Afghan families who were working against AQ, another regime that openly oppresses its people's civil rights. I think you might need to have a hard…

> This is because civil rights are a Western ideology. They certainly didn't come from ISIS' views on women. Nor from Russia and China, who supported them.

How do you come to the conclusion that Russia and China support ISIS?

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Post by tibbydudeza »

dotnet00 wrote: post #83
tibbydudeza wrote: post #44

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That's only convincing if you ignore the mass rioting that happens every other election cycle when the popular liberal (relative to Iran, eg he still hates America, but thinks maybe women should be given more freedom) candidate who promises reform gets removed from the ballot. Having seen the rioting and resulting crackdowns in person, it's absurd to say that the people are particularly happy with the state of things…

Like Jan 06th in the US where a fairly significant chunk of voters still believe that the election was stolen ?

I think there is liberal minority of young people but reckon the majority of Iranians were not happy with the Pahlavi regime either that the CIA engineered on them.

And I did mention that the clerics needs to approve all election candidates btw.

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

imjonse wrote: post #81
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Mandela did not get it while imprisoned and while the US and the UK were tacit supporters of the Apartheid regime True >Maria Ressa seems anti-Duterte, and pro-US if I read correctly Duterte is/was a Trump style figure in a country that houses U.S military bases. If Pakistan counts then the Philippines must count as well.

I mean the Philippines is traditionally a US ally, but Duterte both openly criticised the US and tried to get closer to China. And Maria Ressa is definitely not an anti-US or anti-Western activist.

>but Duterte both openly criticised the US and tried to get closer to China

Yes he did for a moment before completely reversing course.

https://www.rand.org/blog/2021/11/dutertes-dalliance-with-ch...

Pakistan's various leaders on the other hand have criticised the U.S far more harshly and far more persistently over the years. They have also had close relations with China for decades.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by brookst »

sneak wrote: post #42
archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

They gave the Nobel Peace Prize to a US president who had ordered so many drone strikes that even by the US's own admission, hundreds of children were slaughtered. It's pretty farcical.

It’s a common misconception that the prize is for being a 100% peaceful person one’s entire life. In fact the award is for making progress on peace in a specific context; it is not meant to certify the recipient has no blood on their hands.

See also: all of the winners whose pasts include revolutionary actions that killed innocents.

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Post by tibbydudeza »

brap wrote: post #76
tibbydudeza wrote: post #44

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>people being free to choose the way want to live their lives Do you think this is what the Iranians choose? >There is high voter turnout Are you claiming Iran has free democratic elections? Just to put this in some perspective - Iran has an extreme shia muslim regime. Following the laws of shia islam is strictly enforced (don't wear a hijab? get beaten and thrown in jail. Homosexual? get publicly hanged from a crane…

> Do you think this is what the Iranians choose?

Who knows but saying that a western liberal democracy is the yardstick for governing all people is very flawed - look at Afghanistan - it imploded overnight once the US pulled out.

What about Saudi Arabia or the UAE ???.

I don't see the West complaining about them because they do our bidding ???.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by trimethylpurine »

user3939382 wrote: post #88
trimethylpurine wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is because civil rights are a Western ideology. They certainly didn't come from ISIS' views on women. Nor from Russia and China, who supported them. Snowden defected to Russia, see above about supporting ISIS. Assange and Manning's exposure literally cost the lives of Afghan families who were working against AQ, another regime that openly oppresses its people's civil rights. I think you might need to have a hard…

> Snowden defected to Russia To add context, Snowden became trapped in Russia when the US State Department decided to cancel his passport while he was at an airport there on the way out of Russia. > Assange and Manning's exposure literally cost the lives of Afghan families Exposure like the footage they revealed of US drones killing innocent civilians? > The U.S. post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and…

>Right, Assange is the problem, not the US military operations he exposed.

It's only clear that civilians were intentionally targeted by ISIS and AQ. It's also true that civilians who opposed Western military forces were killed. That's expected, because opposing a military force is an official enlistment.

Assange is the problem. You don't get a peace prize for aiding in civil rights oppression.

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