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Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by idle76 »

bornfreddy wrote: post #85
rglullis wrote: post #80

The one thing that I don't understand: for a company that claims to be so focused on protecting the environment, why couldn't they take from the frame.work laptop playbook and commit to 1-2 form factors and just work on releasing new modules independently? I have the Fairphone 3 and I know that if I take care of it properly I wouldn't need to upgrade the display, but I would like perhaps a new camera if a module with…

For FP3, this is actually possible: > The Fairphone 3+ is the upgraded version of the Fairphone 3. It comes with two new camera modules and audio improvements to boost technical performance, enhance the user experience, and improve sustainability. The new camera modules are also sold separately. This way, you can upgrade your Fairphone 3 by replacing the modules. https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360047…

I did this and it worked like a charm!

Upgraded to Android 13, and it's gotten really slow, so I'm thinking of moving to /e/

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

#92

Post by bornfreddy »

janosdebugs wrote: post #19

Question: did Fairphone do something about the build quality since v1/2? I used to have one (can't remember which) but the back cover broke after taking the protector off <10 times. I'd really like to buy one, but I'm not keen on using it for less than a month just because I'd like to have my phone clean.

I have a FP4 with MurenaOS, no issues with build quality. It is solid.

That said:

- fingerprint reader in on power button and triggers on touch (instead of on press), which means I often unlock the phone unintentionally when moving it. Annoying as hell.

- no audio jack

- a bit too big for my taste

- I miss a led indicator of missed messages

- push notifications or privacy (from Google), pick one

Still, if I lost this one, I would pick FP4 (or FP5 now, I guess?) again, no question about it.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

#93

Post by rglullis »

Fnoord wrote: post #86
rglullis wrote: post #80

The one thing that I don't understand: for a company that claims to be so focused on protecting the environment, why couldn't they take from the frame.work laptop playbook and commit to 1-2 form factors and just work on releasing new modules independently? I have the Fairphone 3 and I know that if I take care of it properly I wouldn't need to upgrade the display, but I would like perhaps a new camera if a module with…

Because a smartphone has a different form factor and ecosystem than a laptop. Fairphone existed before Framework did, btw. They were probably inspired by Fairphone.

> a smartphone has a different form factor and ecosystem than a laptop.

But there is nothing stopping them from standardizing their own and building out support from other players in the industry.

My point is, during the Fairphone 3/3+ years they seem to be going in this direction. This is why that I bought in the first place. With the FP4, they went from "company with potential to disrupt the market and do good things" to "company that just follow practices from shitty Big Tech and does good marketing".

> Fairphone existed before Framework did, btw.

And? Just because they came before they can't change?

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by rglullis »

bornfreddy wrote: post #85
rglullis wrote: post #80

The one thing that I don't understand: for a company that claims to be so focused on protecting the environment, why couldn't they take from the frame.work laptop playbook and commit to 1-2 form factors and just work on releasing new modules independently? I have the Fairphone 3 and I know that if I take care of it properly I wouldn't need to upgrade the display, but I would like perhaps a new camera if a module with…

For FP3, this is actually possible: > The Fairphone 3+ is the upgraded version of the Fairphone 3. It comes with two new camera modules and audio improvements to boost technical performance, enhance the user experience, and improve sustainability. The new camera modules are also sold separately. This way, you can upgrade your Fairphone 3 by replacing the modules. https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360047…

Right! This is why I actually bought the 3. I thought this was going to be their modus operandi, but that hope went down the drain when they launched the FP4.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by _rdvw »

cooperadymas wrote: post #35

I have been using a Fairphone 4 with /e/OS for awhile now in the US. AMA. The experience has been mostly good, with a few irritating issues. I still consider it good though, because I had a flagship Pixel previously and had my share of irritating issues also. I don't really miss Google at all. * Occasionally the keyboard just disappears. Crashes or something. Killing the AOSP (Android keyboard) service restores it. H…

Please note /e/OS currently uses a highly insecure version Chromium from December of 2022: https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/os/browser/-/commit/911e34fe66...

This impacts more than just the default browser as it also provides the WebView Widget used by apps.

The WebView also cannot be replaced by a user as it is directly loaded into the process space of all apps using the widget.

See my https://divestos.org/misc/ch-dates.txt table that compares all the other systems update history.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by Foobar8568 »

scns wrote: post #54
cooperadymas wrote: post #35

I have been using a Fairphone 4 with /e/OS for awhile now in the US. AMA. The experience has been mostly good, with a few irritating issues. I still consider it good though, because I had a flagship Pixel previously and had my share of irritating issues also. I don't really miss Google at all. * Occasionally the keyboard just disappears. Crashes or something. Killing the AOSP (Android keyboard) service restores it. H…

> Occasionally the keyboard just disappears. Crashes or something. Killing the AOSP (Android keyboard) service restores it. Hopefully this gets fixed. Are you using the stock keyboard? I allways install Simple Keyboard from F-Droid, Zero problems for years.

I get the same problem on the stock android on my FP4, both with the stock keyboard and alternate ones.

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

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Post by Tom4hawk »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #61
Fnoord wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geez, what a negative take on a company who do their best to be environment-friendly. I got quite some corrosion on the headphone jack of my Raspberry Pi 2B. Not sure why. But either way, these adapters can be bought anywhere, and they'll work on other devices as well. Like I said, I didn't use mine much. Usually Bluetooth with an adequate profile is good enough. I doubt people hear the difference between Bluetooth a…

I don't think there's anything "environmentally friendly" about making users have an extra dongle to get basic functionality.

I personally know absolutely no one with a dongle. I know many people who still use phones with jack that are not using it (or have earbuds). I was using wireless headphones before anyone heard of "earbuds" - they are much more convenient in situations where I'm using headphones. Of course, it's anecdotal but it seems that there are much more people like me/my friends than people missing Jack...

Re: Fairphone 4 with /e/OS by Murena now available at fairphone.com

#100

Post by Fnoord »

rglullis wrote: post #93
Fnoord wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because a smartphone has a different form factor and ecosystem than a laptop. Fairphone existed before Framework did, btw. They were probably inspired by Fairphone.

> a smartphone has a different form factor and ecosystem than a laptop. But there is nothing stopping them from standardizing their own and building out support from other players in the industry. My point is, during the Fairphone 3/3+ years they seem to be going in this direction. This is why that I bought in the first place. With the FP4, they went from "company with potential to disrupt the market and do good thin…

> But there is nothing stopping them from standardizing their own and building out support from other players in the industry.

The smaller the device, the more difficult this is. Especially with modularity taken into account. A Framework has modules which are basically USB-C to X where X can be anything (TB, USB-A, USB-C, microSD, etc etc). Easy, if you have the space. On 5-6 inch smartphone? You don't have such space. Furthermore, the SoC is mostly an all in one package on smartphones, in contrast to laptops.

> My point is, during the Fairphone 3/3+ years they seem to be going in this direction. This is why that I bought in the first place.

I rather have them iterate form factor and on long term settle.

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