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Re: Open Source does not win by being cheaper

#91

Counterargument: Linux is on most servers, smart phones, and information appliances. Primarily because its scaling cost is near $0/host, and some users feed useful resources back into the digital karma pool. If the goal is to share an opensource project as widely as possible, than most will sell associated services to generate support revenue. Some operate as a nonprofit entity to offer tax breaks on supported projec…

I had a beer milkshake once on Cannery Row.

It could have been worse. (Also better)

Re: Open Source does not win by being cheaper

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That tension seems to inevitably lead to obvious features missing or functionality/knowledge that's needed to operate at any scale coistered away as closed source so the sponsoring entity can make some money. I dont think this is a problem at all. I maintain a small module, and have had many feature requests and support requests over the years. Until I am making enough money to pay my rent, I dont feel one bit guil…

With all due respect, your model as described is different: the way I read it is that you're charging for work, not charging for a product incorporating your work. The same tension doesn't exist, because you don't have an incentive to paywall a feature; if someone pays you, everyone benefits. Forgive me if I'm off-base with my interpretation of your comment.

> if someone pays you, everyone benefits.

this is not guaranteed to be the case. if its a feature I dont care about, then likely I will just implement it privately and provide the modified code privately. It would only be if someone was going to be an ongoing donor that I would defer to their concerns regarding public release of any feature requests.

Re: Open Source does not win by being cheaper

#94
post #91

Counterargument: Linux is on most servers, smart phones, and information appliances. Primarily because its scaling cost is near $0/host, and some users feed useful resources back into the digital karma pool. If the goal is to share an opensource project as widely as possible, than most will sell associated services to generate support revenue. Some operate as a nonprofit entity to offer tax breaks on supported projec…

I had a beer milkshake once on Cannery Row. It could have been worse. (Also better)

Sure, but was ruining 2 good drinks worth the experience. =)

Re: Open Source does not win by being cheaper

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> What is a transparency problem? It’s when a solution being closed source creates distrust between the client and vendor. Eterprises don't care that much about code. And if they do, business continuity clauses may alleviate most of their closed source concerns. After all, how many financial firms switched to OpenOffice Calc from Excel? > She argues that Amplitude is pretty expensive, particularly prohibitive for som…

> Eterprises don't care that much about code. And if they do, business continuity clauses may alleviate most of their closed source concerns. After all, how many financial firms switched to OpenOffice Calc from Excel?

This is true of tools like excel, but for things like server infrastructure (at least in big tech companies) they are very hesitant to put something into production without at least source code access (much preferring being able to compile it themselves).

Re: Open Source does not win by being cheaper

#98

"Profit" is a strange and ambiguous term here. I've been running an open source, libre project for closing in on 24 years now, and generating revenue from it for about 17 years. There's never been any "profit", but there has been revenue. I regard profit as what's left of the revenue after you pay the people who work on the project and any expenses, which is the way most corporations and accountants would view it. Th…

Are you in the US? Do you report that revenue as personal income on your taxes? If yes, then I think it’s fair to call it profit (since you’re also presumably deducting expenses).

That's true if it is a sole proprietorship, but not if it is a corporation of some kind.

A corporation holds the profits (after expenses) on its books and they may (or may not) be distributed proportionally to shareholders. If it's not distributed, it is part of the value of the company.

Re: Open Source does not win by being cheaper

#99

"Profit" is a strange and ambiguous term here. I've been running an open source, libre project for closing in on 24 years now, and generating revenue from it for about 17 years. There's never been any "profit", but there has been revenue. I regard profit as what's left of the revenue after you pay the people who work on the project and any expenses, which is the way most corporations and accountants would view it. Th…

Are you in the US? Do you report that revenue as personal income on your taxes? If yes, then I think it’s fair to call it profit (since you’re also presumably deducting expenses).

Yes, sole proprietor, all revenue reported as personal income ... hence I consider it income.

It would be profit if I was organized as an LLC that agreed to pay me $X/year and took in $(X+Y) in revenue.

Re: Open Source does not win by being cheaper

#100
Win what? TFA is published on a platform owned by Microsoft.

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I always thought that the whole point of computers and software was to make machines to do the scut work so we could all take a break and explore the universe Star Trek-style.

You don't win by making money, you win by obviating the need for money at all.

Science has delivered technology and wealth (it's not evenly distributed, of course, but that's not the problem I'm talking about.)

If we apply the technology we already have we can take care of everybody on earth (and mitigate the climate change) and you just sit around and write software or play video games or whatever you like.

That's how FOSS wins: "Let the robots do the work and we'll take their pay."

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