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Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by haldujai »

clipsy wrote: post #87
haldujai wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lifestyle related research, especially diet, is often low quality but as you asked: Physical Activity: https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/5/2235 https://bmjopensem.bmj.com/content/bmjosem/7/1/e000960.full.... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000368702... Diet: https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/15/15/3494 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-021-00897-3 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii…

Thanks, that's a lot of reading to get through but it's interesting that we see such changes in activity and diet versus the OP article's finding that major health statistics haven't noticeably moved.

Did they say that? Are you referring to this section or did I miss something, I mostly skimmed the JAMA article:

> In our study, baseline clinical characteristics of patients with incident type 1 diabetes and type 2 diabetes were not different during nonpandemic and pandemic years. This is consistent with other studies showing similarity in age, HbA1c, and body mass index among patients with incident diabetes before and during the pandemic.

If this is the section you mean that's not discordant, what they're saying is that people with diabetes have similar characteristics during non pandemic and pandemic years. It doesn't comment on whether more people in general have increased BMI therefore placing them at risk for T2DM.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by smegsicle »

ta8645 wrote: post #34
smegsicle wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i'm not sure whether i should be more confused at your implication that three negations of what i said would be what i meant, or that "i don't think anyone can disagree" is a difficult thing to parse

I'm no intellectual giant, but I can't parse your original comment either. At the very least, it's more convoluted than necessary. The opposite of terrorism, I guess, is being helpful and kind? So you're saying that giving the vaccine to young people was helpful and kind?

> it's more convoluted than necessary

can't disagree with that, it was the specificity of the contention that threw me off

> The opposite of terrorism, I guess, is being helpful and kind?

at the very least it was done in a way in which noone could be expected to complain, could anyone disagree?

ALSO: i tried to post this response much earlier, but I became rate limited and alas could not

full disclosure, my original intention was to promote a healthy discussion which would then be flagged off the page, an aim that i feel was entirely fulfilled, and if you felt any emotional/intellectual discomfort, perhaps i should apologize, since you don't seem like a jerk

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by haldujai »

anon84873628 wrote: post #63
defrost wrote: post #16

Diabetes is complex and a simplistic jump to "Covid directly causes Diabetes" is very likely incorrect. From the article itself: Diabetes risk factors may have been exacerbated during the COVID-19 pandemic including limited physical activity, increased sedentary behaviors, sleep disturbances, and increased intake of processed foods. and note that diabetes has increased in very specific groups, not generally at the sa…

You should edit your comment to specify that you are referring to Type 2 diabetes. As stated in the article, infection by coronavirus and many other viruses can trigger Type 1 diabetes through autoimmune reactions. (Which I think most people would interpret as "directly causes" for all practical purposes.)

Nothing in this paper is anywhere close to establishing causality, it's an interesting observation that merits further study.

We should also note that the authors offer alternative possibilities in the discussion such as increased/early diagnosis.

Interestingly, the 10-19 T1D IRR declines below prepandemic levels in Q4 2021 which would be supportive of this hypothesis for this age group however more follow-up is needed to see how the trend evolves.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by collaborative »

The rise of society and culture-driven anxiety (this is not related to covid the disease) resulting in seeking food comfort and accompanying type 2 diabetes might also explain this

I know a few people that have had their anxiety shoot up recently. We are more isolated than ever

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by verisimi »

lamontcg wrote: post #78
roody15 wrote: post #5

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> ...Binding of circulating S protein... Vaccines don't cause circulating S protein at any levels that could cause damage to organs. We can measure some S in the blood after vaccination, but it is at levels of picograms per milliliter. Spike is confined within the cells that the vaccine enters and isn't sprayed around the circulatory system by the vaccine. What is displayed on the surface of those cells is the T-cell…

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Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by haldujai »

torstenvl wrote: post #32
junofan wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The T2 patients weren’t fatter or more diabetic. There were just 62% more of them.

Which should push average A1C levels up...

> Among youth with type 2 diabetes ... Sociodemographics and, additionally, mean body mass index, fasting and random glucose, and HbA1c levels were not different from 2016 to 2021.

They're talking about these values in the diabetic population, not youth in general. They are simply saying there are more diabetics, but they have similar characteristics as pre-pandemic diabetics. This is expected.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by watwut »

hedora wrote: post #3
anigbrowl wrote: post #2

Sociodemographic factors, average body mass index, fasting and random glucose levels, and hemoglobin A1c concentrations didn't change from 2016 to 2021. That's especially perplexing.

Were these communities not affected by the lockdowns? Surely, remote learning and cancellation of intramural sports, etc, led to worse average fittness.

On the other hand you had more free time, because there was no commute. My fitness went UP due to homeoofice and lockdowns. I also started to eat healthier, simply because I had more and easier control over what I eat.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by watwut »

myko wrote: post #21
hedora wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were these communities not affected by the lockdowns? Surely, remote learning and cancellation of intramural sports, etc, led to worse average fittness.

How so? Ate more healthily at home, walked more, got outside more generally. Physical health likely improved with lockdowns.

Same here.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by defrost »

verisimi wrote: post #95

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We can talk about how more than 98% of the entire population of Australia happily took two to three COVID vaccinations over the course of the past two years or so and there's been no significant increase in morbidity and mortality statistics compared to before.

We can talk about how Australia has some internationally acclaimed epidemiologists who have been trawling the statistics here for the past 40 years, publishing ground breaking work on folate for infants, SIDS, disease studies, etc. and yet have (at least according to your premise) utterly failed to identify any better health outcomes for the unvaccinated Vs the vaccinated in four decades of data on flu outcomes.

Exactly what kind of numbers are you expecting to see in an island population of 22+ million over four decades?

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