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Alameda lost tens of millions because of a fat fingering mistake

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Re: Alameda lost tens of millions because of a fat fingering mistake

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>The tricky thing about risk is that it's usually invisible, right up until it comes around and bites you in the ass. Saved!

Invisible can equally mean “actually invisible” but often means “we told the people shouting and screaming about this risk to shut up”

Re: Alameda lost tens of millions because of a fat fingering mistake

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I once watched a new (I assume) dealer make two large mistakes at a blackjack table, in Vegas, of all places. One, I had put down $500 in twenties, and he was giving me chips, except he was going to give me $1,250 in chips, like he thought they were fifties. Pit Boss looked at him, looked at the chips, "What are you doing??", let him fix the error. A couple of hands in, dealer gets an Ace, so he checks the hole card.…

Would you mind explaining the second story? I don't play casino blackjack. Isn't the goal of the house to get blackjack? So if the dealer had Ace face up and King down, isn't he assured to win the hand and collect all the stakes?

If he has ace face up and checks and sees a king he is supposed to flip it over, show his blackjack, and take everyone's money. He instead let them play the hand out as if he didn't have the king.

Re: Alameda lost tens of millions because of a fat fingering mistake

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The good news is that the world's Bitcoin network can only process ~100 transactions in 12 seconds.

Has this improved as of late? Maybe with other blockchain systems?

Yes, it improved in 2018, but people are still stuck on the 12 tx/s. The Lightning network allows thousands of tx per second [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Network

Re: Alameda lost tens of millions because of a fat fingering mistake

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once watched a new (I assume) dealer make two large mistakes at a blackjack table, in Vegas, of all places. One, I had put down $500 in twenties, and he was giving me chips, except he was going to give me $1,250 in chips, like he thought they were fifties. Pit Boss looked at him, looked at the chips, "What are you doing??", let him fix the error. A couple of hands in, dealer gets an Ace, so he checks the hole card.…

Would you mind explaining the second story? I don't play casino blackjack. Isn't the goal of the house to get blackjack? So if the dealer had Ace face up and King down, isn't he assured to win the hand and collect all the stakes?

If the house starts with a blackjack they collect the initial wagers from anyone who doesn't also have a blackjack.

Re: Alameda lost tens of millions because of a fat fingering mistake

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Heh. I love being able to pseudonymously tell HN my crazy stories from time to time. It's the only online chatter I indulge in. Sadly I have no colleagues who I can both talk shop with and also talk about my previous lives. "Build what makes you happy..." is a darn good philosophy, btw.

> "Build what makes you happy..." is a darn good philosophy, btw. Thanks! I wish I'd say it's my daily driver, but I still work for money.

Cheers =)

Seriously though, I think making clients happy still makes me happy, if I like what they're doing and I get to impress them a bit. I guess it would be more fun to be able to live only on passion projects, but I know I'm lucky even to be able to keep the hope alive and keep creating.

Re: Alameda lost tens of millions because of a fat fingering mistake

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post #60

> The story of how a misplaced decimal point at Alameda Research caused a market crash that echoed around the world Hang on a second. It caused a dip in the price of Bitcoin, that is not a "market crash". Bitcoin is a toy and not a real market, its price is set almost entirely by bullshit wash trades and other forms of fraud.

Prices are basically set by takers, like in every other market.

Re: Alameda lost tens of millions because of a fat fingering mistake

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Honest question: How do you determine that something like this was an honest mistake? Once, when I was much younger, I had a side gig dealing poker at an underground club in NYC. One morning at the end of 10 hours dealing, I accidentally exposed a burn card which turned out to be something one of the players was representing (bluffing), with about $10k on the table. It was an honest mistake - literally a fat finger m…

I once watched a new (I assume) dealer make two large mistakes at a blackjack table, in Vegas, of all places. One, I had put down $500 in twenties, and he was giving me chips, except he was going to give me $1,250 in chips, like he thought they were fifties. Pit Boss looked at him, looked at the chips, "What are you doing??", let him fix the error. A couple of hands in, dealer gets an Ace, so he checks the hole card.…

Based on the second mistake, on pure speculation, I think that might've been a dealer who recently came from Eastern Europe, where typically dealer blackjacks are not announced until the end of the hand (a significant loss in EV for the players). Since never exposing a card early is the one thing that's most drilled in, exposing one is counter to training, and that might be a hard habit to break.

A lot of Eastern European casinos don't even deal the "down card" for the dealer until the players have finished.

Re: Alameda lost tens of millions because of a fat fingering mistake

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A lot of the "genius" credit given to FTX, Alameda, Sam are all during a time when crypto was soaring, probably partially because people were home more and got free checks in the mail. The fact that a single person could absolutely tank the entire company with a single trade shows how reckless they all were. But it worked because the market was going up. That's it. The market slumped for like a week and their behavio…

This is my sense too. What's kind of funny is we weirdly get caught up and excited by the hype... every single time

I always felt like SBF was a massive fraud. When someone is inflated as a genius and "the kindest billionaire" for superficial things like not driving an expensive car and not dressing appropriately, it sends alarm bells ringing to me. Acting like the exaggerated TV stereotype of a tech nerd screams "I'm covering something up", just like what happened with Theranos.

Re: Alameda lost tens of millions because of a fat fingering mistake

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This happens all the time at traditional finance firms also. For example, last May an investor in the Nordic region sold off hundreds of thousands of shares of an index fund leading to an 8% drop in dozens of stocks https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-05-03/citi-d...

And if you are waaaay off the exchange just shuts down your port for the day.

Interestingly the Tokyo Stock Exchange did not countermand an order from Mizuho in 2005 which flipped order quantity and price in yen, a rather catastrophic thing to do when the intended trade was one share for about 600,000 yen.

Regulators were… not pleased.

(Quick English summary of incident: https://www.foxnews.com/story/typing-error-causes-225m-loss-... )

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