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So, what happened to everything that expected 1.1.1.1 to error out and now is getting something? (not worried about them, just curious)
They switched to 2.2.2.2
IPv1 is a cozy place
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#92A subtle detail from the article is that address prices peaked in 2021 at $60 and has steadily decreased to $35. Where does it go from here? Is this a proxy for the tech correction?
Ideally the long-term value is $0 when IPv4 becomes irrelevant, but how long that takes, and the prices along the way, are anyone's guess. Even explaining past prices is analogous to stock market voodoo.
Not a fan of ipv6 evangelizing, much less at this point. Just give it up.
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#93Can we go back in time and hit the designers of IPv6 upside the head? The decision not to make IPv6 backwards compatible, the belief that a beautiful new standard could magically replace something already so widespread...
"Naive" is an inadequate word. We are still futzing with the transition 3 decades later, with no end in sight. Grrr, grumble...
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#94Question for the networking folk here. How can the rest of us help move things over to ipv6?
If your ISP provides the ipv6 option but doesn't turn it on by default, turn in on. If they don't call them periodically and ask for IPv6 support.
If you run only online service, enable ipv6 on it.
Basically, help move the needle on the chicken and egg issue of adoption. Move more traffic to v6 as much as you have control over.
Re: AWS IPv4 Estate Now Worth $4.5B
#95Can we go back in time and hit the designers of IPv6 upside the head? The decision not to make IPv6 backwards compatible, the belief that a beautiful new standard could magically replace something already so widespread... "Naive" is an inadequate word. We are still futzing with the transition 3 decades later, with no end in sight. Grrr, grumble...
You have to go back further in time and hit the designers of IPv4 on the head for not making it forward compatible.
IPv6 is as backward compatible as is possible within this constraint. You can embed IPv4 space within IPv6, there is NAT64, tunneling IPv6 over IPv4 and many other transition technologies. It's not possible to design a protocol that is any more backwards-compatible.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ideally the long-term value is $0 when IPv4 becomes irrelevant, but how long that takes, and the prices along the way, are anyone's guess. Even explaining past prices is analogous to stock market voodoo.
Not a fan of ipv6 evangelizing, much less at this point. Just give it up.
What is your solution?
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I actually went through this process with ARIN. So I can give you that perspective. It wasn't a big deal, the only minor concern I had was it felt like you're encouraged to sign up under a business entity. I had an LLC, so it was natural just to use that. I don't know what kind of vetting they do if you decide to use yourself as an organization though instead of a different legal entity. You need to provide justifica…
I'm curious if one were to be certain nation state and was happy being a completely isolated intranet, that they would just exit such arin or related associations and just create their own governing body of IP allocations? In such a case such an internet would be a completely separate internet right? I wonder if sanctions may ever apply to the internet itself and we may see a break up of the internet into regional in…
North Korea supposedly has its own intranet with IPs in the 10.0.0.0/8 private range: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwangmyong_(network)
I have no idea how they manage IP allocation internally there though.
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Blame your ISP. IPv6 should have already been supported since the 2000s.
Then there are a lot of ISPs to blame: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html
By that chart, the IPv6 rollout will be basically complete by 2030. I suspect it will speed up near the end though as the first few services start to go V6 only.
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#99Can we go back in time and hit the designers of IPv6 upside the head? The decision not to make IPv6 backwards compatible, the belief that a beautiful new standard could magically replace something already so widespread... "Naive" is an inadequate word. We are still futzing with the transition 3 decades later, with no end in sight. Grrr, grumble...
You have to go back further in time and hit the designers of IPv4 on the head for not making it forward compatible. IPv6 is as backward compatible as is possible within this constraint. You can embed IPv4 space within IPv6, there is NAT64, tunneling IPv6 over IPv4 and many other transition technologies. It's not possible to design a protocol that is any more backwards-compatible.
Vint Cerf has called the decision of it being 32 bits as silly and arbitrary, like having a car odometer with 40 digits. If he had pushed for more, he thought nobody would have taken him seriously.
The idea of 32 becoming scarce was laughable.
Also the complaint about ipv6 isn't a technical one, it's a usability one. Extending it to 48 bits would have been easy enough for people - like international calling.
Those 16 bits could be in hex, as a convention, so something like "(4EA7) 8.8.4.2".
However, I've constantly heard that the 128 bit hexadecimal with colons just looks too complicated and inconvenient.
You might be brilliant and find it easy but to a lot of people ipv6 addresses look like cryptographic hashes
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm curious if one were to be certain nation state and was happy being a completely isolated intranet, that they would just exit such arin or related associations and just create their own governing body of IP allocations? In such a case such an internet would be a completely separate internet right? I wonder if sanctions may ever apply to the internet itself and we may see a break up of the internet into regional in…
The big nations have already wargamed this scenario and have contingency plans in place. IMO we'll see this happen in our lifetimes.
Could starlink be a way to maintain global connectivity in the face of government control? Would they try to jam satellite connections?