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Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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#91

I just quit weed after getting addicted for almost 2 years. There is a large community of people who are trying to quit: /r/leaves The article is nothing new to me. Read a few posts from the subreddit and you'd see a pattern. Three weeks ago, I was pro-weed recreation legalization. Today, I'm strongly anti recreation use. Edit: I'm not against decriminalization of weed. I'm highly against pro-recreational use. I'm ag…

>> Today, I'm strongly anti Haha like all reformed addicts of anything. I'm strongly anti cigarettes.

Well, I wouldn't have been strongly anti recreational use if I didn't go through what I did.

Extremely high THC products coupled with professional marketing agencies? Yikes. We're going to have a weed epidemic soon. Maybe it's a silent epidemic now.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think people should be put in jail for cannabis. However, we shouldn't be devoting our tier 1 retail space or having startups with massive advertising budgets pushing it. It should be sold as a generic drug by pharmacies that make most of their business from other drugs not dispensary entrepreneurs creating massive retail brands like alcohol.

Capitalism says if people are willing to pay money for a product, then that product can buy retail space and have marketing budgets.

And the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement (MSA) says that we can restrict retail space and advertising venues for some products deemed harmful, especially around children.

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#93

The only way I can deal with my sociopathic coworkers is through cannabis use, so I’ll roll the dice. Edit: downvote me daddy

I believe that. There is no doubt in my mind that a good portion of substance abuse is driven by what are issues relating to societal collapse.

I dont really blame drug users for what is usually escapism from our industrialized society rat race.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

#94

I just quit weed after getting addicted for almost 2 years. There is a large community of people who are trying to quit: /r/leaves The article is nothing new to me. Read a few posts from the subreddit and you'd see a pattern. Three weeks ago, I was pro-weed recreation legalization. Today, I'm strongly anti recreation use. Edit: I'm not against decriminalization of weed. I'm highly against pro-recreational use. I'm ag…

With all due respect, your inability to use marijuana responsibly should not make my responsible marijuana usage illegal.

With all due respect, I was a responsible user for the first year too. Good luck to you and I hope you never get addicted.

Unlike alcohol addiction, which can come on fast, weed grabs a hold of you over a longer period. It starts out as only beneficial with little to no downside. You won't notice you're addicted until much later.

Also, I find your decision to call the plant marijuana interesting. The names weed and pot have a negative connotation. But "marijuana" sounds a lot more acceptable. Nothing to do with you. Just something I noticed.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

#95

Just my personal take, wouldn’t seek to push others to adopt it. Smoking weed hurts your ability to think and learn. If you have responsibilities to children or shareholders etc you shouldn’t be doing it. If you don’t and it doesn’t hurt others who are relying on you have at it, but still sparingly as not to be abusing your body and mind.

Do your views on smoking cannabis apply to alcohol as well?

Or do you adapt a more reasonable appropriate time and place for that type of drug?

I not sure if it hurts peoples ability to learn, even if some people have some memory impairment. But cannabis and other drugs change the way people think, and that can be good or bad depending on many factors. Have people created great creative works under the influence of cannabis? Yes. Would they have been better art if the artist had not consumed cannabis? Maybe not.

I know high functioning executives and parents who work and take care of family all day and eat an edible to go to sleep. And on Sunday night, they might smoke a joint and eat a meal with friends and discuss their next book or investment in between diaper changes.

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#96

I can't see the full study methodology without an account. That said… The challenge with running studies ethically is that you can't split your test groups into two groups and somehow induce cannabis use disorder and see if major depression, bipolar, etc results from it. Rather, you can see if the people who naturally develop the disorder also have those problems. The flaw in this reasoning is that people who develop…

Obviously this is not a real argument against what you said, but the same thing happened with smoking. The tobacco companies said that there might be some set of factors that both caused lung disease, and caused smoking. As opposed to the alternate hypothesis that smoking caused lung disease. As is generally thought now, umbrellas do not cause rain but smoking does cause lung disease. Cannabis is federally illegal in the United States (the same way manufacturing machine guns without a license is for example), so if you live there don't use it. In some other places, I'd highly advise you to consider only the known benefits of using cannabis (and actually known, not something from a crappy study that you never read past the abstract or something a stoner buddy told you), and weigh that against known and potential risks of using the drug. Treat any form of smoking, including smoking cannabis, with high suspicion, as it involves inhaling large concentrations of combustion products. In conclusion, I would suggest you treat cannabis like how a rational person would treat cigarettes in the 1950s.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

#97

I just quit weed after getting addicted for almost 2 years. There is a large community of people who are trying to quit: /r/leaves The article is nothing new to me. Read a few posts from the subreddit and you'd see a pattern. Three weeks ago, I was pro-weed recreation legalization. Today, I'm strongly anti recreation use. Edit: I'm not against decriminalization of weed. I'm highly against pro-recreational use. I'm ag…

With all due respect, your inability to use marijuana responsibly should not make my responsible marijuana usage illegal.

Society does this all the time though realistically. If there is a 1:N chance of harm; and N is low, and we have no idea who will be harmed, we tend to regulate or make illegal.

How many societies have legalized marijuana?

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

#98

I just quit weed after getting addicted for almost 2 years. There is a large community of people who are trying to quit: /r/leaves The article is nothing new to me. Read a few posts from the subreddit and you'd see a pattern. Three weeks ago, I was pro-weed recreation legalization. Today, I'm strongly anti recreation use. Edit: I'm not against decriminalization of weed. I'm highly against pro-recreational use. I'm ag…

>> Today, I'm strongly anti Haha like all reformed addicts of anything. I'm strongly anti cigarettes.

Nothing more virtuous than a reformed smoker:D

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever met someone with schizophrenia? I would never engage in any activity that increases the likelihood of a permanent life ruining mental illness!

I have. I worked inpatient psychiatry for ~6 years. All substances you consume have non-zero risk associated with them. Including seemingly benign things like milk. It's the job of every person to understand their body and to do a risk/reward analysis on anything you consume. For many, the benefits of THC/CBD/cannaboids outweigh the risks. > I would never engage in any activity that increases the likelihood of a perm…

I avoid all 4 of those last things you mentioned as much as possible. Now you have me worried about milk! Will casein really fry my synapses like the vegans tell me? I thought that was just a scare tactic to save animals.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

#100

I can't see the full study methodology without an account. That said… The challenge with running studies ethically is that you can't split your test groups into two groups and somehow induce cannabis use disorder and see if major depression, bipolar, etc results from it. Rather, you can see if the people who naturally develop the disorder also have those problems. The flaw in this reasoning is that people who develop…

That "whitey" effect people getting smoking weed and hash for the first few times is from a sudden release of glutathione, a powerful antioxidant stored in the liver, and a supplement Asian people have been known to take to whiten their skin.
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