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Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Post by foxhill »

mwint wrote: post #71
foxhill wrote: post #4

“new architecture on new process node almost as fast as competitor’s flagship from a year prior, from two process nodes ago” power efficiency aside (which admittedly is non-trivial), this is not that big a deal or particularly interesting, imo.

This is a mobile processor being compared to flagship desktop processors. Apple’s lead is almost unfathomable.

two process nodes difference. apple have bought out all of TSMC’s “3nm” capacity. they obviously consider it an important competitive advantage.

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Post by happymellon »

DanHulton wrote: post #65
Pufferbo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m glad someone else feels this way. I absolutely hate those YouTube videos talking about the “4K 30min total render” bs. Show me a M-chip MacBook that doesn’t balk when running Docker, or chug when opening a fat codebase in WebStorm. Sure the chips are fast when they run the stuff Apple designed for it, but they don’t seem any faster to me in my work. I will give them efficiency though. I love not having to carry t…

I mean, the M1 chip in my Macbook Pro runs absolute circles around the Intel one that I had in the previous generation, and they were released within a year of each other, so... I honestly do not know what you're talking about.

That's not a high bar. I'm still stuck on the 2019 MacBook Pro for work, and it is significantly slower and hotter than my ThinkPad with Linux that I use for hobby programming.

Whenever I open IntelliJ on it I can feel the temperature of the room increase. The Intel Macs were terrible for many years.

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Post by helf »

auguzanellato wrote: post #89
1letterunixname wrote: post #14

Your next Mac Book Pro will be a sleeve for an iPad Pro, which, in turn, will be a sleeve for an iPhone Pro. Turducken computing. ;)

Asus did that ~10 years ago with the PadFone, you had a phone that could plug into a tablet shell that in turn could be plugged into a keyboard.

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Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Post by chrbr »

happymellon wrote: post #92
DanHulton wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the M1 chip in my Macbook Pro runs absolute circles around the Intel one that I had in the previous generation, and they were released within a year of each other, so... I honestly do not know what you're talking about.

That's not a high bar. I'm still stuck on the 2019 MacBook Pro for work, and it is significantly slower and hotter than my ThinkPad with Linux that I use for hobby programming. Whenever I open IntelliJ on it I can feel the temperature of the room increase. The Intel Macs were terrible for many years.

Cannot wait for my Intel MBP to be refreshed into an M2 at work. Running Docker turns it into a jet engine. Like having a white noise machine with an unpleasant tone that also generates a ton of heat.

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Post by happymellon »

chrbr wrote: post #94
happymellon wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a high bar. I'm still stuck on the 2019 MacBook Pro for work, and it is significantly slower and hotter than my ThinkPad with Linux that I use for hobby programming. Whenever I open IntelliJ on it I can feel the temperature of the room increase. The Intel Macs were terrible for many years.

Cannot wait for my Intel MBP to be refreshed into an M2 at work. Running Docker turns it into a jet engine. Like having a white noise machine with an unpleasant tone that also generates a ton of heat.

Moreso than the noise, the touchbar at the back can become too hot to touch and the plastic strip around the screen, where MacBook Pro is printed, is bubbling and peeling away with the heat.

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Post by jasonjmcghee »

Pufferbo wrote: post #30
gary_0 wrote: post #11

I find articles like this really vexing because this isn't a general-purpose CPU, it's just a chip meant to run the software that Apple allows on the App Store. Most of the software I use day-to-day can't run on it by design. It's kind of depressing that the most advanced mobile CPU technology (that can only be fabbed by a single company in a far-away country) is monopolized by a company that heavily restricts the so…

I’m glad someone else feels this way. I absolutely hate those YouTube videos talking about the “4K 30min total render” bs. Show me a M-chip MacBook that doesn’t balk when running Docker, or chug when opening a fat codebase in WebStorm. Sure the chips are fast when they run the stuff Apple designed for it, but they don’t seem any faster to me in my work. I will give them efficiency though. I love not having to carry t…

Personal anecdote- Neither my M1 Air (personal) or M2 Pro (work) have any trouble with docker and jetbrains. Fans don't even turn on on the M2.

Both have apple silicon builds now, but it and a lot of other software built for Intel ran at similar performance or better (compared to Intel MacBook / Thinkpad).

I understand why people hate apple, but I've never heard anyone say this (what op said) who has had similar setups. It works a hell of a lot better than my X1 Carbon did.

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Post by paulmd »

gary_0 wrote: post #11

I find articles like this really vexing because this isn't a general-purpose CPU, it's just a chip meant to run the software that Apple allows on the App Store. Most of the software I use day-to-day can't run on it by design. It's kind of depressing that the most advanced mobile CPU technology (that can only be fabbed by a single company in a far-away country) is monopolized by a company that heavily restricts the so…

This is the same family as the MacBook line use. Once yields improve on N3 next year you’ll be able to get even a MacBook Air that will have this same chip but with more cores.

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Post by joshstrange »

etempleton wrote: post #66
slg wrote: post #29

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I don't think they expect people to seriously play Resident Evil 4 with touch controls. I imagine most people who actually complete the game will use either the controllers that attach to the side of the phone like a Switch, controllers that have a mount on top to hold the phone, a normal Bluetooth controls like a Dualshock with their phone in some other dock, or stream everything to an Apple TV.

I have been surprised they have not been more aggressive with the chips in AppleTV and signed more deals to port games to the platform. In some ways Apple is well positioned to be a player in the game space, but they seem to lack the commitment and flexibility required to make it work.

> they seem to lack the commitment

Tale as old as time.

Apple has historically been terrible about committing to gaming which has led to game developers ignoring the platform. I do hope that Apple actually stays the course this time around and with the M* series of chips they've raised the floor for what game developers can count on having available.

I really thought they would have made a bigger play for gaming on the Apple TV (The hardware, not the app, not the service, I still can't get over that...), they pushed a little at the start but with most Apple gaming initiatives (aside from mobile) it seems to have fizzled out.

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Post by joshstrange »

1letterunixname wrote: post #14

Your next Mac Book Pro will be a sleeve for an iPad Pro, which, in turn, will be a sleeve for an iPhone Pro. Turducken computing. ;)

Macpadone?

I'm not sure how realistic this is but I think I'd love it.

Re: Apple's A17 Pro Within 10% of i9-13900K, 7950X in Single-Core Performance

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Post by the_lucifer »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #88
kaba0 wrote: post #81

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Tada, there is ish, so you can run whatever on an iphone emulated by an x86 layer! That is, you have a general purpose CPU. Sure, apple suck at sideloading, hopefully the EU ruling will make it a possibility, but then say that instead.

> Tada, you can but only after jailbreaking and replacing your actual hardware with a virtual one. That sounds like these "technically, a taco is a sandwich" discussions. Maybe, but was that actually the question?

ISH does not need a jailbreak. you just download it from the App Store.
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