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Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by helboi4 »

tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #32
helboi4 wrote: post #26

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Wow I have heard so much that Al Jazeera is pretty reliable, never did I realise until I read your comment that they are owned by Qatari monarchy. Qatar, the country everyone was practically calling us to boycott in the 2022 World Cup. Not suitable to hold the World Cup but suitable for us to get news from apparently. They do generally seem to have a high quality of journalism though so I am suprised at how they main…

It is what it is. AJ’s bias really comes into play when talking about Qatar. Otherwise, their record speaks for itself.

Makes sense and I can probably deal with that since I really do tend to find quality articles from them, and most global news is not about Qatar. However, does Qatar have any allies that they are also likely to be biased about? Or does the influence not extend that far?

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by dheavy »

throwaway914 wrote: post #19

I know I'm naive: I don't understand why US companies are so sensitive to respecting Israel. I don't know why our gov is so sensitive to this either. Israel - like all countries - deserves criticism, no? This can't purely be about respecting the billions spent on US weapons to defend Israel, right? I genuinely do not understand, because I think they'd happily buy from the military anyway.

Lobbying?

As a secular Jew in Western Europe, I've distanced myself from my religious community due to its insistence on tying my identity to Israel. Where I live, it's less taboo to critique Israel than in the U.S., but still tricky.

Advocates of Israel's right-wing politics have blurred the line between criticizing Israel and anti-Semitism, an endeavor helped by actual anti-Semites. I've grown up with these supporters, but can't quite call them a "lobby" due to their loose organization and lesser influence here compared to the U.S.

Speaking out brings risks: being labeled a leftist extremist, clashing with fellow Jews, or unwittingly aiding anti-Semites. And that's if you are Jew.

This creates a pervasive, cautious silence that I imagine is even more stifling in countries with highly organized pro-Israel lobbying.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by belter »

_aaed wrote: post #10
belter wrote: post #8

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https://youtu.be/cnj0rmnsAdI

This has no English subtitles

Not from YouTube but there are some free services. "How to Translate YouTube Videos for Free" - https://www.kapwing.com/resources/how-to-translate-youtube-v...

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by notahacker »

stonogo wrote: post #84
Ygg2 wrote: post #70

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Fair points, but I sense a discrepancy. If multinationals are leaving X in droves, why wouldn't they leave it in Asia?

Because the hate and outrage peddlers that Musk un-banned are not posting in anything but English.

and it's a relatively marginal revenue stream that was expected to grow, and Elon's erratic behaviour and vice signalling garners few column inches there.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by blueflow »

sek wrote: post #81
blueflow wrote: post #79

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Which lawsuit?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/05/elon-musk... https://www.adl.org/resources/press-release/adl-statement-xt...

Just from the wording my quick judgment is that ADL is the bully here. You can't walk around calling people "unrepentant bigots", and doing that in public is IMHO indeed defamation, which Musk is suing for.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by stephen_g »

Ygg2 wrote: post #25
meepmorp wrote: post #20

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Are you saying the only plausible explanation is, "the Jews?"

No. Where did you hallucinate me saying that? According to Elon it's just the ADL lobbied hard in US & EU.

As if that had anything to do with it? Twitter under Musk has been a disaster, I’m not surprised companies are withdrawing from it. A lot of dropping off who were once very active users too, and basically no part of any of that has anything to do with the ADL.

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by Brybry »

weatherlite wrote: post #78
pydry wrote: post #67

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The Israel lobby is incredibly powerful and well funded. They have a lot of money to throw around, much of which they throw at the US Government, which is consequently filled with their supporters. US companies know this and tread carefully. They've weaponized anti-semitism against their detractors. And, who wants to be accused of racism? Even false accusations stain your reputation. The irony is that it's probably o…

> They made a shrine to a terrorist (Baruch Goldstein) Not sure what you're talking about here. Baruch Goldstein has no "shrine"* and besides fringe groups in Israel he is generally not accepted. Compare that with the monthly salaries Palestinian terrorists receive from the PLO and their rockstar status in Palestinian society. * he has a grave, Israeli law can't really prevent that. The Israeli government has ruined…

NY Times and AP News described it as a shrine when they reported on the Israeli government demolishing it. [1][2]

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/30/world/israel-destroys-shr... / https://archive.ph/RNPRh

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ohMB-_1lPM

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by SenAnder »

stonogo wrote: post #72
SenAnder wrote: post #64

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Part of the answer is simply that a large fraction of the US government is Jewish. E.g. according to the White House, their staff (everything from stenographers and secretaries, to labor relations representatives and foreign policy experts) is 32% Jewish (2.4% of US population), 44% ethnic minority (about even with US), and 24% non-Jewish White (55% of US) Sources: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36119693

...you think that fifty-plus years of foreign policy is because there aren't "enough" non-Jewish white people in the White House at the moment ?

It's unlikely this is a momentary phenomenon. It's hard to find data, but this over-representation is not new. Looking at a single, albeit important, political post, in the 53 years since 1970, the chair of the Federal Reserve has been Jewish for 38 of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_of_the_Federal_Reserve

To not base conclusions on a single data point (maybe the Fed Chair is an outlier), US Jews also contributed 50% of all donations to the Democratic party, and 25% to the Republican party: https://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/US-Jews-contribute-half-o...

Re: Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel

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Post by defrost »

actuator wrote: post #87
smcl wrote: post #85

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I mean FOX News and Newsmax are "as independent as possible" in that regard but they're both utter trash, so it's obviously more nuanced than that. Discarding Al Jazeera entirely because they can't/won't go hard on Qatari matters (which you can read anywhere else if you really care) is a bit like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, to me.

I think the problem is not that they won't criticise them, it shows that they lack editorial freedom, which means any coverage even if global matters coming from them should be looked at with suspicion, like what would be Qatar monarchy's view on this global issue

In another sense it helps that you can tell exactly where they're coming from on most issues.

Qatar threw money at them "to be the best of the best" in global reporting .. pretty much because they can then point to Al Jaz's world class credentials when it comes to the void on bad reporting at home.

I can see a time in the future when they might start strongly bending their international reporting .. but for now at least they play with an even bat on most issues outside their own borders, they've hired a number of top tier global reporters away from prestige journals elsewhere.

I've been observing media across the world for decades .. all media has biases, it actually helps to know what those are.

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