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Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by nicce »

flanbiscuit wrote: post #47
boesboes wrote: post #4

Fuck me that’s the worst UX I’ve seen in ages

I had the opposite reaction, but I'm on my laptop. It looks like they are using RevealJS ( https://revealjs.com/ ). I mention that because I originally went in thinking of this as an "article" with an alternative UX, but in reality it's just a slide show. I did just try it on my mobile (Firefox, Android) and this format definitely doesn't translate well. I put it in landscape and it just shrink down the desktop site…

On desktop it was very good. On mobile... well I had to switch to desktop.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by bugglebeetle »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #33
daft_pink wrote: post #13

I think it's unfair to compare Facebook actively screwing us to Apple not adopting your proposed metric on their product and passively allowing a very popular app in their app store. Not a huge fan of Apple, but they aren't Facebook.

I was going to say, nobody believes in any privacy Meta alleges. Even when they do E2EE they still collect anything else about you that they can.

I also don’t believe any privacy that Apple alleges, given their actions in China, attempts at iCloud scanning, etc. Post-Snowden, it would seem naive to believe in any such assertions, beyond the level of “this might protect me okay against average criminals, assuming I install all the latest updates and use features like lockdown mode.”

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by soperj »

toastal wrote: post #55
wredue wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And uh. Let be honest with ourselves here. Our alternative is currently android. So instead of meta slurping up all your shit, google vacuums it all up and then some, and lets even more of it trickle in to meta.

Unless you go the custom ROM + microG option that 98% of folks would never do… or you embrace the Linux phone OS which has no ‘apps’ (like that banking app that banned you for rooting your other Linux (Android) phone) & the telephony barely works if it even does. This duopoly sucks.

I just use my banking website from my phone. Why install apps?

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by Timber-6539 »

goalieca wrote: post #71
daft_pink wrote: post #13

I think it's unfair to compare Facebook actively screwing us to Apple not adopting your proposed metric on their product and passively allowing a very popular app in their app store. Not a huge fan of Apple, but they aren't Facebook.

Apple does not have a tracking pixel on half the popular web. Apple's main source of income is through luxury hardware and subscription services. Facebook sells your information and attention to willing buyers.

What the difference between Meta's tracking pixel and Apple's IDFA?

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by innagadadavida »

nicce wrote: post #86
goalieca wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple does not have a tracking pixel on half the popular web. Apple's main source of income is through luxury hardware and subscription services. Facebook sells your information and attention to willing buyers.

Apple's ad business, however, is growing all the time. And in significant margins. https://www.wired.co.uk/article/apple-is-an-ad-company-now https://www.statista.com/statistics/1330127/apple-ad-revenue...

> In 2022, Apple generated 4.7 billion U.S. dollars with its global advertising business.

> By 2022, Facebook's ad revenues had hit $135.94 billion.

$4.7B is not a small number but no where close to Facebook’s.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by [deleted] »

jonhohle wrote: post #36

I wonder what it will take for people to finally get fed up with creepy advertising companies. I received a letter from Target that by default they’ll sell my information to unaffiliated third parties and I have to call or write a letter to opt-out. I’m sure I agreed to that at some point (and anyone signing up for a loyalty program that doesn’t cost anything should realize that’s what they are agreeing to, even if t…

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by paulryanrogers »

giantrobot wrote: post #83
paulryanrogers wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Increasingly Apple sells you services and has tried ads, likely will again

Apple sells services ? That you elect to use and pay for? The nerve of them!

Sorry if the implication wasn't obvious. Once they sell B2C services it's just a matter of time before that too becomes ad supported, then your data (or at least eye balls) are for sale.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by nirvdrum »

daneel_w wrote: post #73
raspyberr wrote: post #27

Privacy blog post. vercel-insights.com, www.google.com, 'Sign up with Google', Join 132,793 people from companies like: Microsoft, Amazon, facebook, Google, Disney "There it is again. That funny feeling."

Ironic, isn't it. And the author apparently has nothing at all to say about Android and Google.

The article is about Apple because Apple is the one billing itself as the vanguard of privacy and as the privacy-preserving opponent of Android. It's also quite possible the author doesn't have or use an Android device. If you've invested in a platform for reasons related to privacy, I think it's quite okay to be concerned when that platform falls short on some pretty big privacy invasions.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by doublerabbit »

soperj wrote: post #89
doublerabbit wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are they not relevant. They suck data from you for money. Exactly what Twitter, Microsoft and Amazon do too.

And Apple now with their ad business. How are they fundamentally different?

I agree. Apple has always had an advertising business, remember apps with ad banners in the early IOS store?

However the fundamental difference is that their model is being an hardware company.

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