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Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Well, it does make it clear that human advancement is along the terms set by military diktat - there's nothing natural about it. Why should we be worried that the military fund the internet, quantum computing, etc? Can there be any reason for concern? Could it be that the military is less concerned about external threats, but way more concerned about managing internal ones? And that funding technology to create a tec…

There's nothing natural about modern society, so again: what's your point? Because not being natural is kinda of literally the whole point of society itself: we removed ourselves from "the natural order of things" because that allowed us to kick progress into higher gear. You live in a highly curated society brought to you by, for an incredibly long period of time, military advances making its way into civilian life.…

> There's nothing natural about modern society, so again: what's your point?

It makes it very clear how society and its technology is being steered by the military. Most people are under the impression that scientists etc are free to decide how best to uncover truth. But no, this is not a free investigation - it is directed.

> You live in a highly curated society brought to you by, for an incredibly long period of time, military advances making its way into civilian life.

I agree. But the military is in service to money and power, just like everything else. They are there for specific jobs, including funding the technology they want.

> Because not being natural is kinda of literally the whole point of society itself: we removed ourselves from "the natural order of things" because that allowed us to kick progress into higher gear.

What "we"? What choices did anyone make? This is all forced behaviour.

> Especially since, and this is something people seem to forget, the US military actually works for the US. Unlike congress or the NSA, it doesn't give a shit about oppressing fellow Americans, it literally funds projects it knows will benefit progress.

Why would the military not be subject to the laws of money and power, as opposed to other agencies? None of these institutions are there for our benefit. They are there to control.

You might like the subjugation, and feel comforted by the fact some powerful force is running things, preserving you from all the fears they tell you are out there. Personally I would like to experience reality without the manipulations and orchestrations of all these governance institutions. This is also known as freedom. But then, people are so trained and invested in this nonsense, as if it was some sort of God, they would be unable to function if this strong guidance were taken away.

Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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I’m stuck on how it is known that the quantum analog is operating the same as what it is an analog of. I’m completely out of my depth so I fed the paper to Claude 2 and, after some back and forth, got this:

“You raise a good point. There is no absolute certainty that the analog quantum system operated in exactly the same way as the original chemical reaction dynamics it was meant to model. Some key caveats and limitations include:

- The analog system is still an approximation, so there may be small differences in how the dynamics play out compared to the real system.

- Mapping a complex molecular system onto qubits necessarily requires simplifications and abstractions that could influence the outcomes.

- Factors like experimental errors, imperfect state preparation or measurement in the trapped ion system may introduce discrepancies.

- Important details like multi-particle interactions or higher-order effects may not be fully captured.

- Verification that the analog system exhibits the same identifying signatures or phenomena as the natural system would strengthen confidence in the analogy.

So while the researchers aim to design the quantum analog to faithfully mimic the essential physics, perfect equivalence cannot be taken for granted due to modeling approximations and technological limitations. The mapping should be validated by testing for characteristic properties before concluding the slow-motion "observations" definitively represent the original phenomenon. With improvements, analog quantum simulation could provide increasingly accurate models of chemistry.”

Is this a reasonably well grounded statement? And if so, how can anybody hope to verify the analog is exhibiting “the same identifying signatures or phenomena as the natural system” if the whole point is that we can’t observe the natural system with any precision to start with?

Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Then I have not explained myself correctly. If I take a philosophy class, I can talk to teacher, discuss things,explore questions and Contradictions. And I do :-). When Plato says "let us all agree there exists a perfect blue independent of any real world blue", I want to argue that no, "blue" is a human construct and dependent on accidental biology. We can't even make sure thay we all experience the same blue and wh…

You're not reading. You've fallen into the age old trap of reacting, to written text. His argument might well be farcical, suspend disbelief like you would watching some Micheal Bay nonsense. Do you let people get to the end of their sentence irl? I've noticed more that some people wont tolerate a building narrative in basic sentences, and want to deal only in conclusions. I really do miss the days when people regula…

Thx for the response!

(To your very last sentence, I'd venture that kind of fees like the Socratic method :-)

But to the rest of the post, can you elaborate? Are you suggesting relaxing the skepticism / logic muscle and reaction for a while, and reading to see where it goes? I'd be willing to discuss that approach, though I'm also aware that's exactly what my cousin pishing deepak chopra keeps saying :-P.

In the finite time we have on this earth, how does one choose where and when to relax the filters, as opposed to saying "this is not bringing value, there are better materials to ingest?".

And the other context, which I feel we still haven't addressed is - lateral to whether there is any advanced and isolated value in reading Plato, do we really feel it's a good suggestion to get somebody introduced to concepts? I still feel there are way better ways to get somebody introduced to core ideas, and then advanced readers who want to zero-in, experience the original material and immerse themselves into context of the times (and the good / bad / ugly / archaic thay goes with it), can certainly choose to do so.

Thx again!

Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then I have not explained myself correctly. If I take a philosophy class, I can talk to teacher, discuss things,explore questions and Contradictions. And I do :-). When Plato says "let us all agree there exists a perfect blue independent of any real world blue", I want to argue that no, "blue" is a human construct and dependent on accidental biology. We can't even make sure thay we all experience the same blue and wh…

but he's dead and can't argue with me But you’re alive and you can supply both sides of the argument, if you believe the topic is interesting. The concept of “perfect blue” is beautiful and powerful - even if it’s wrong! It can lead to very interesting ideas, such as “universe as a mathematical structure”, or having a soul. Just play along and be flexible. Also, you can prompt GPT-4 to argue with you as Plato would.

This reminds me of Kierkegaard arguing with himself in various publications under pseudonyms. I think he must have had some intense cognitive dissonance about most things for most of his life. It makes for a great way to flesh out a topic from both a pro and con standpoint, but it can't have been easy to go back to "normal" thinking modes after doing so.
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