2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map • Hacker News Board

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Post by tamimio » Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 10:11 PM UTC

yegor wrote: post #40

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends what you want. The chart doesn't really say which are the best, just which are undisputedly shady. #1 undisputed champion for security, privacy, and anonymity is almost certainly Mullvad. Note however that Mullvad servers tend to get flagged and blocked by services pretty quickly. Mozilla VPN (which you can turn on easily in Firefox) is just a thin shell around Mullvad. The ease of use could make it worth…

This list isn't about "dirt" but rather connections between companies and organizations. Windscribe is independent, and 100% privately owned. Source: Me, as a co-founder. If you want dirt on us, you can find it on our blog, written by me. https://blog.windscribe.com/ukrainian-server-seizure-a-comme...

> Source: Me, as a co-founder.

Why Monero isn’t supported as a payment?

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Post by Ms-J » Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 11:11 PM UTC

Direct link to the full map: https://kumu.io/sobeyharker/vpn-relationships#vpn-company-re...

Also, does anyone know of a privacy conscious VPN provider that currently supports port forwarding? One of the only provider's I know of right now is ovpn.com and I cannot vouch for their privacy practices.

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Post by Ms-J » Wed, Aug 30, 2023, 11:17 PM UTC

beauHD wrote: post #22

> However, the worst case situation is that they lie about not tracking users and then they get hit with a LEO request they bow down to. That's within reason though. A VPN is another ISP afterall, so they have to 'bow down' to law enforcement requests. What LEAs can get depends on how zero knowledge the VPN setup is. OVPN[0] for example has been 'court tested' and Mullvad had nothing to give to authorities[1] since t…

It's only "reasonable" if the subpoena comes from a court in the country the VPN is headquartered in. And just like you said, what LE can get depends on how the VPN is setup. If it's no-logs, anonymous payment, randomly generated user ID's, and servers not allowing dumping of the connections, there isn't much to give to the law at all.

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Post by alaxapta7 » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 12:06 AM UTC

zirgs wrote: post #73

alaxapta7 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> w/o your ISP knowing I'd be more concerned about everyone else: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com

I don't torrent stuff at all and my IP was there.

Someone else had the IP assigned, then, or you're behind some sort of NAT with someone else. The ISP very likely holds a record of which device had a particular address assigned at any given time. At where I live, addresses are usually lent for pretty much forever. I have mine for 8 years, unchanged. Even my mobile carrier latches the same address for months even.

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Post by alaxapta7 » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 12:17 AM UTC

zirgs wrote: post #74

alaxapta7 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If no-log is a priority, you need Tor, not a VPN.

Depending on where you live - the fact that you use Tor can be used against you.

Sure, but then VPN might be just as problematic unless it's a one that's not provided by a known VPN company. My point is that VPN is just a way to proxy your traffic to somewhere else and hide the content (but not its existence!) from your ISP. Anything else shouldn't ever be taken for granted.

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Post by snapplebobapple » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 1:47 AM UTC

alaxapta7 wrote: post #60

clsec wrote: post #53

I'm surprised that no one has said anything about the fact that this is put out by a VPN company! I also could not find their name on the map. It doesn't mean that it's not there, I just couldn't find them. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The only thing I find a VPN useful for is torrenting w/o your ISP knowing. In my case, I use Surfshark for torrenting so that Comcast can't send me any of those pesky letters.

> w/o your ISP knowing I'd be more concerned about everyone else: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com

I love that website! The other people sharing my vpn end point have some great ideas for content to check out.

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Post by CuriousCosmic » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 1:49 AM UTC

yegor wrote: post #40

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends what you want. The chart doesn't really say which are the best, just which are undisputedly shady. #1 undisputed champion for security, privacy, and anonymity is almost certainly Mullvad. Note however that Mullvad servers tend to get flagged and blocked by services pretty quickly. Mozilla VPN (which you can turn on easily in Firefox) is just a thin shell around Mullvad. The ease of use could make it worth…

This list isn't about "dirt" but rather connections between companies and organizations. Windscribe is independent, and 100% privately owned. Source: Me, as a co-founder. If you want dirt on us, you can find it on our blog, written by me. https://blog.windscribe.com/ukrainian-server-seizure-a-comme...

Yeah apologies if it came across as if I was saying anything bad about yall's company.

I just meant that while your entry didn't list anything seriously concerning about your product, since I'm not familiar with it I can't really speak to whether there were omissions.

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Post by ecmascript » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 1:30 PM UTC

yegor wrote: post #24

ecmascript wrote: post #16

I'm getting a cert error, anyone else?

Your network probably intercepts TLS, are you on a work/school network?

No I'm at home, behind a pi-hole tho, but that shouldn't mess the cert up?

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Post by unforgivenpasta » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 1:42 PM UTC

Looks like Njalla's VPN[1] is missing, I'm not sure if they have their own servers but it seems more than likely

[1] https://njal.la/vpn/

Re: 2023 Paid VPN Relationship and Corporate VPN Ownership Map

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Post by the_third_wave » Thu, Aug 31, 2023, 10:52 PM UTC

I just had a look at the map to see what they say about a few well-known VPN providers like Mullvad and Express VPN. In the description for the latter the mapmakers claim that people like Ben Shapiro and Candace Ownens (two conservative commentators, one an orthodox Jew, the other a black woman of Nigerian/Caribbean descent) are "far-right misinformation specialists" which means I have to take the rest of their claims with a sizeable amount of salt as being biased and ideologically tainted. Stupid really since it certainly makes sense to expose the snake-oil salesmen peddling VPNs.