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How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel that setting up the infrastructure to specifically exclude certain “luxury” foods would not only be a giant waste of money, but weirdly cruel and punitive. It certainly wouldn't be "cruel and punitive." After all, as the saying goes, beggars can't be choosers. It would be valuable insofar as it would undercut one of the most biting criticisms of the program. > Just give people the resources to buy what they…

People on social programs should not be treated as “beggars.” They should be allowed to live their lives with dignity. (Even if it means getting a bit of ice cream every once in a while, the horror!)

They are quite literally beggars for government money. Welfare is abused heavily in many ways and a lot of people use it as an excuse to laze around on the taxpayer‘s dime. And even if they don’t want to, the system fully endorses that ever since we stopped requiring them to work for the government.

As you’re someone from the Bay Area, you genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about, especially in regards to Appalachia. You make a large enough salary to survive, possibly even thrive in an area on the complete opposite side of the USA. The people here are lucky for $40,000 annual salaries. $80,000 and you’re sitting pretty. My father’s never made more than $35,000. I‘ve lived here my whole life and seen the damage welfare does to a community. People have kids just to maximize welfare, they waste their money on the vices they explore now that they don’t need to work, the community is lost.

So sure, allowing “treats” isn’t a big deal on paper, but when 65 million, or 1/5th of Americans, are on welfare with 42 million of them getting food stamps, AND you consider the predatory behavior of food companies alongside the general distain the government holds for the health of its people, and you end up with a system that promotes short term pleasure and “feel-goods” rather than actually attempting to improve yourself to where you can contribute like an actual human being.

Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's easy for us to say, most working well-compensated tech jobs. The guy working overtime hours for bullshit pay would rather the government pay for neither and give a few dollars of his taxes back. Also, for the folks calling this a conservative talking point, Marx and Engels weren't exactly well-disposed towards the lumpenproletariat... Someone who is chronically unemployed by definition is not working class.

> The guy working overtime hours for bullshit pay would rather the government pay for neither and give a few dollars of his taxes back. The problem is the person’s employer is allowed to pay too low a wage. That should be the focus rather than the government for wasting their taxes.

If you raise the minimum wage then prices inflate equally. This happens literally every time some bonehead passes a law requiring it. It’s almost like printing more money never solves the problem.

The problem is and always has been that the government is greedy and takes income tax, a tax that disproportionately affects the lower economic rungs, for no reason other than to line their own pockets. Alongside the black box that is the federal reserve, that is.

Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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The thing that pisses me off about this guy and the normal folks that embrace the song is the lack of awareness and the down punching. The first half of the song is more or less something that just about every working person can empathize with. We have to work harder for less and our representative government doesn’t represent us, let alone work for us. Brilliant, I agree. Then it’s all downhill after that. Without m…

It's ironic that you at first seem concerned about "normal folks that embrace the song", but then "down punch" them by calling them "useful idiots" at the end. Your "lack of awareness" is quite something.

Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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The irony is that the rich men north of Richmond are all republicans. The most impressive con I’ve seen is that an entire swath of this country has become convinced that the people with the worst policies for them are looking out for them.

The most impressive con I’ve seen is that almost the entire country believes one of two puppets on a stick is “for them” and totally not for maintaining and strengthening the oppressive systems that have been put in place over the last 150 years.

There is no irony that the men north of Richmond are Republicans, that is in part deliberate. The irony here is that you interpreted a class struggle song in a way that allowed you to feel knowledgeable and superior to those who choose the “worst policies”.

Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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post #26

I really dislike how skeptical and dismissive this article is, most of the paragraphs seem to be worded to suggest “conservatives think they are embattled and suppressed but actually have lucrative institutions and are backed by rich media figures” and generally dismiss the legitimacy of the voices this song represents. They attack the legitimacy of the chart-topping nature of the song by loosely suggesting it’s due…

Welcome to the NYT, a rag that’s been largely irrelevant for the past decade at minimum.

Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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The irony is that the rich men north of Richmond are all republicans. The most impressive con I’ve seen is that an entire swath of this country has become convinced that the people with the worst policies for them are looking out for them.

The most impressive con is how you think you know what's better for people down South than they do.

Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

#97

The thing that pisses me off about this guy and the normal folks that embrace the song is the lack of awareness and the down punching. The first half of the song is more or less something that just about every working person can empathize with. We have to work harder for less and our representative government doesn’t represent us, let alone work for us. Brilliant, I agree. Then it’s all downhill after that. Without m…

It's ironic that you at first seem concerned about "normal folks that embrace the song", but then "down punch" them by calling them "useful idiots" at the end. Your "lack of awareness" is quite something.

You are insufferable.
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