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Luck be a Landlord is now banned in 13 countries on the Google Play Store

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'Roguelike' has lost all meaning. Rogue never had any "deck building". Roguelike is not meant to mean any game that uses RNG.

> Roguelike is not meant to mean any game that uses RNG. The ORIGINAL ROGUE had random elements, what are you on?

Read what I said; I didn't say that Rogue had no RNG. I said that roguelike is not meant to mean any game that uses RNG. RNG is common is many kinds of games, we don't call a game a roguelike just because it has RNG. Video poker has RNG. We don't call videopoker a roguelike.

Doom had monsters. We don't say that any game with monsters is a Doom clone. Games are only Doom clones if they have more in common with Doom than merely having monsters.

Roguelikes are dungeon crawlers with random procedurally generated levels, played on a grid with discrete turns and permadeath. The more of these characteristics a game has, the more roguelike it is. There is some flexibility in the meaning of roguelike, room to experiment with the format for instance by using a hex grid instead of square, by loosening the turn-based constraint or even using non-euclidean geometry. But merely having RNG does not make a game roguelike. If having an RNG is what it means to be a roguelike, that makes any game played with dice or a shuffled deck of cards into a roguelike. Is Scrabble a roguelike because you draw random letter tiles and play it on a grid? That's obviously not what roguelike means.

Re: Luck be a Landlord is now banned in 13 countries on the Google Play Store

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Historically, it seems like "arguing publicly, getting public outcry, and getting the notice of someone higher up the chain" is pretty much the only way to effectively appeal these sorts of decisions at Google. I don't know if it'll work in this case, since google's argument ("this contains a slot simulator and some countries don't like that") isn't too egregious, but I can't really fault the dev. When the faceless r…

> Historically, it seems like "arguing publicly, getting public outcry, and getting the notice of someone higher up the chain" is pretty much the only way to effectively appeal these sorts of decisions at Google. Not just Google. It seems like a lot of large corporations effectively outsource their customer service to (the platform formerly known as) Twitter and such. Complaining on social media gets results, even af…

I’m about to go through the same thing myself due to my Facebook Marketplace account getting banned for… no idea? Some sort of automated moderation kerfuffle.

No matter how many times I click “request a review of this decision” through their customer service portal, my appeal is automatically denied.

When there’s no way to get customer support from a company, it’s the only other thing left to do.

Re: Luck be a Landlord is now banned in 13 countries on the Google Play Store

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I love it when people are simultaneously needlessly condescending and also wrong.

who, me or paul?

Anyone might be wrong, and so you might be ready to hear in what way you were wrong, but one thing you were not at all was condescending.

It was Paul if you ask me, even without the deduction.

Re: Luck be a Landlord is now banned in 13 countries on the Google Play Store

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One of least effective ways to argue your case is by pointing to other apps that have the same violations. I say that having submitted 50+ apps across various categories and dealing with thousands of app review exchanges to get them released. You can find apps that violate all sorts of guidelines and laws and it is super frustrating when yours gets blocked but it is part of the business. Did they slip by a reviewer t…

What other things that are wrong and avoidable (being acts of humans rather than acts of nature) do you advocate just tolerating without even so much as reporting of discussing?

Animals must live with the environment as it is. Humans modify their environment to suit them.

It's ok to be fatalist for yourself. There is no valid reason to try to tell anyone else to be.

Re: Luck be a Landlord is now banned in 13 countries on the Google Play Store

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One of least effective ways to argue your case is by pointing to other apps that have the same violations. I say that having submitted 50+ apps across various categories and dealing with thousands of app review exchanges to get them released. You can find apps that violate all sorts of guidelines and laws and it is super frustrating when yours gets blocked but it is part of the business. Did they slip by a reviewer t…

What other things that are wrong and avoidable (being acts of humans rather than acts of nature) do you advocate just tolerating without even so much as reporting of discussing? Animals must live with the environment as it is. Humans modify their environment to suit them. It's ok to be fatalist for yourself. There is no valid reason to try to tell anyone else to be.

I think it is great they wrote this post and are bringing attention to the problem. I wish someone had told me all of this before I submitted my first app. It helps to know this is an issue you might run into and it is not the end of the process and it does not mean your app won’t get approved.

Rallying devs and their community of users is worthwhile. My advice was more for how to respond and handle the review process internally with google and Apple based on what has actually worked ime ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Luck be a Landlord is now banned in 13 countries on the Google Play Store

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'Roguelike' has lost all meaning. Rogue never had any "deck building". Roguelike is not meant to mean any game that uses RNG.

Agreed. A roguelike must have: Random procedural map generation. Turn-based gameplay. Items which start unidentified, but can still be used (with some risk of being cursed). Ability to save and exit at any time to resume later, but no ability to save without exiting. Character death deletes the save file and requires starting from the beginning. Combat-based gameplay, with monsters becoming more difficult as the play…

By your definition "roguelike" feels exteremely narrow, maybe this is why the terms have become so conflated. When I think of rogue-like or lite games (since let's continue to conflate the terms), which are my most played on Steam, I think Spelunky, Risk of Rain, Slay the Spire, Isaac, Noita, FTL, Unrailed!, Spider Heck, maybe even PlateUp!, and of course Luck be a Landlord. It's a popular genre and none fit half your description. Sure they're all roguelite, some only having one or two of your points, but "roguelike" seems useless by your definition. It would only fit Rogue itself and pretty direct clones it seems. I haven't played Rogue....

Re: Luck be a Landlord is now banned in 13 countries on the Google Play Store

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post #41

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I love it when people are simultaneously needlessly condescending and also wrong.

who, me or paul?

I was condescending.

But I wasn't wrong, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Luck be a Landlord is now banned in 13 countries on the Google Play Store

#99

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'Roguelike' has lost all meaning. Rogue never had any "deck building". Roguelike is not meant to mean any game that uses RNG.

> Roguelike is not meant to mean any game that uses RNG. The ORIGINAL ROGUE had random elements, what are you on?

Square is not meant to mean any 4 sided polygon.

Squares are 4 sided polygons, but rectangles, diamonds, and rhombuses are not squares, despite being a 4 sided polygon

Re: Luck be a Landlord is now banned in 13 countries on the Google Play Store

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Well maybe Google got specific complaints about this app. It's actually better that they only ban some not all, isn't it?

Wouldn't it be better if they didn't arbitrarily, selectively, and capriciously apply their policies?

I'd say no, actually
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